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Title: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Behemoth
Post by: PcMan on August 27, 2007, 12:52:18 AM
Click below on Monday for the BIG news


www3.cedarfair.com/canadaswonderland/index.cfm

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Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: lore1991 on August 27, 2007, 07:00:28 AM
Behemoth!
http://attraction.canadaswonderland.com/ (http://attraction.canadaswonderland.com/)

how about trains? they are very strange!! ;D
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Ogolo on August 27, 2007, 07:08:50 AM
Interesting train designs.
But that cuts the train capacity in half! ???
And why do that? 
Middle seats aren't that bad.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: GADVwow on August 27, 2007, 07:18:36 AM
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/August2007/27/c2399.html

Quote

VAUGHAN, ON, Aug. 27 /CNW/ - Canada's Wonderland changes the landscape
for thrill seekers in 2008, with the addition of Canada's biggest, fastest and
tallest roller coaster - Behemoth. Following 18 months of planning and
construction, Behemoth will premiere at Canada's Wonderland in May 2008.
    At over 5,300 feet (1,616m) in length, Behemoth sets the stage for
thrills with a climb to a height of 230 feet (70.1m), followed by an
adrenaline pumping 85 degree drop with speeds reaching 125 kilometers per hour
in 3.9 seconds. The coaster then takes riders through the ultimate coaster
experience with high speed twists and turns, including double banked flat
loops (horizontal loops) and eight extreme drops. Intensifying the action
packed adventure, the ride features prototype open-air seating that will allow
all riders to experience an unobstructed view of the thrills and excitement of
one of North America's best coasters.
    "Behemoth will be the biggest investment in Canada's Wonderland's 27 year
history at approximately $26 million dollars," said Raffi Kaprelyan, Vice
President and General Manager, Canada's Wonderland. "With the addition of
Behemoth, we wanted to compliment our already impressive line-up of more than
200 rides, shows and attractions with a world class roller coaster that will
showcase Wonderland as one of the premier amusement parks in our industry."
    Behemoth will be the 15th roller coaster at Canada's Wonderland.
Construction is currently underway, but those who cannot wait until spring may
take a virtual ride on Behemoth at www.canadaswonderland.com. Visitors to the
website may also access exclusive Behemoth updates and features including
virtual renderings, ride statistics and other online fun.
    Behemoth was designed by Bolliger & Mabillard of Monthey, Switzerland, a
recognized industry leader in roller coaster development.

    Canada's Wonderland is owned and operated by Cedar Fair Entertainment
Company, a publicly traded partnership that is listed for trading on The New
York Stock Exchange under the symbol "FUN." In addition to Canada's
Wonderland, Cedar Fair owns and operates eleven other amusement parks, five
water parks, one indoor water park resort, and six hotels. Cedar Fair also
owns and operates Star Trek: The Experience, an interactive adventure located
in Las Vegas, and operates the Gilroy Gardens Family Theme Park in Gilroy,
California under a management contract.

Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: overlord on August 27, 2007, 08:30:29 AM
...What the eff? What kind of car is that?
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: PcMan on August 27, 2007, 09:13:47 AM
CW's New People eater  Hmmm  how far is CW from NJ  ;)
THis may top Nitro - Steeper 85 degrees but Slower then Nitro  ? we will see

Looks like an airtime Machine  some low res Wallpaper below provided by CW website  http://attraction.canadaswonderland.com/public/ride

click for Video    http://attraction.canadaswonderland.com/public/fun/videos.cfm
Ride the onride and see that there is 2 Trims on the return b4 the MCBR

(http://media.cfpl4.cedarfair.com/canadaswonderland/behemoth/images/online_fun/wallpaper/behemoth_hills_800x600.jpg)

(http://media.cfpl4.cedarfair.com/canadaswonderland/behemoth/images/online_fun/wallpaper/behemoth_lake_800x600.jpg)

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 May of 2008

Physical Dimensions
Track Length 5,318 ft
Lift Height:230 ft

Angle of Descent:    85 degrees
Ride Time: 3 minutes, 10 seconds
Speed of First Drop: 77 miles
Ride Capacity: 1,545 guests/hour

    * Three 32-passenger trains
    * Eight cars, with four seats per car, per train
    * Prototype seating

Ride Design

    * Fiberglass and steel coaches with lapbar restraints and interlocking seat belts

Manufacturer

    * Bollinger and Mabillard (B&M)
      Monthey, Switzerland


Investment
 $26 million
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Millennium Force 44 on August 27, 2007, 11:50:27 PM
Wow! This coaster looks insane! I am so jealous. I am very surprised with the 85 degree first drop, that beats Millennium Force  :o. The layout after the MCBR looks a little disappointing, however. The overbanked turnaround looks great-it seems very similar to Nitro's, but more intense. The three camelbacks after the turnaround look like airtime central for this coaster. The last surprising thing I noticed was the angle of the brakes at the end of the ride- it reminds me of Intamin's magnetic brake hill on Storm Runner. This looks like a great reason to get to Canada's Wonderland.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Robert T Ackerman on August 28, 2007, 01:48:13 AM
This only adds to my excitement for my trip next summer up the Niraga Falls/Canada area. Everythign about this coaster says "asesome" to me except for the trims going UP the 3 hills before the midcourse break run. Hopefully they are only there to slow the train if going TOO fast, and not there to STOP the train like Raging Bull's 3rd hill. Why build a ride WITH trims???? Seems like it would be a design flaw from the start. Why not just build it so it doesn't need it?
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: rjholla2003 on August 28, 2007, 02:06:04 AM
Those trains sure look prototypical. lol
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Dubya91 on August 28, 2007, 02:42:35 AM
Those trains are bizzare and odd looking, I think they should stick to the Four across....

As for the ride, this can possibly be their best yet, it looks like it will have ejector and floater in it as well as amazing intensity. As Rob said, hopefully the trims wont ruin this ride...
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: coasterrider1998 on August 28, 2007, 07:30:45 PM
Robb I hope the same for the coaster. It seems like it is a great ride.

/Cr98\
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: WadeJ on August 28, 2007, 07:45:16 PM
The trains are longer holding 32 people on each train.  So capacity is hardly any less than Nitro, will load faster and everybody will have a better view :)

Plus, longer trains = more airtime in the back :)
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: coasterrider1998 on August 28, 2007, 08:19:44 PM
Wade, Sorry to burst your bubble of excitement but 3 trims on the airtime hills. I think that explains my point man.

/Cr98\
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: PcMan on August 28, 2007, 08:36:53 PM
Look at the Topic Name

New B&M Benemoth   :o

I think these coaster looks awesome
may need a road trip next year    after my passport comes in anyday now



Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Dubya91 on August 28, 2007, 10:24:56 PM
I dont know, I think a road trip up there can wait till im 18 ;)

A good note is that to get there, I can go through NY, meaning I can drive with my permit and split the driving with my mom
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Millennium Force 44 on November 21, 2007, 10:56:27 AM
Hmmm... Does this look as steep as Millennium Force?
http://www.cwmania.com/photos/displayimage.php?album=124&pos=5
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: WadeJ on November 21, 2007, 11:14:43 AM
My guess is that since its so much shorter, it doesn't look as steep.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Bubba Z on November 21, 2007, 11:52:51 AM
Could be just the angle of the photo?   It looks just as steep as Nitro or El Toro to me.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Millennium Force 44 on November 21, 2007, 03:12:46 PM
Yea, to me it looks almost identical to Nitro's hill, maybe just a bit steeper. It looks like the steepest part of the drop is on the second support, going down the drop, not counting the highest support that is under the stairs (the second support going down after the supports that are under the steps). It could be the angle of the picture as well, that is just the closest picture of the drop's profile that I've seen.
I don't know if it was on this site or another coaster site, but someone said that it probably won't be 80 degrees, considering that Millennium Force has such a huge radius at the top, and is almost 100 feet taller. On the other hand, B&M and Intamin coasters have different designs, especially on the initial drops. Intamins tend to have big radius's and gradually enter and exit initial drops, while B&M's have small radius's at the top of the lift hill and enter the drop more quickly. That's just what it seems to me.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Millennium Force 44 on December 25, 2007, 06:29:37 PM
New pictures over at rcdb.

this picture looks like it could almost be Nitro
http://www.rcdb.com/ig4005.htm?picture=9

I still think Nitro looks better
http://www.rcdb.com/ig4005.htm?picture=7

http://www.rcdb.com/ig4005.htm?picture=8
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Millennium Force 44 on January 21, 2008, 02:16:29 PM
Check out the helix. it's massive! http://www.maj.com/gallery/Copeman/Behemoth/post.jpg

All of the hills look like they are twice as tall as Nitro. Do you think it is just becuase alot of the pictures of Behemoth are taken close to the ride, where Nitro you can't get close to due to where it is in the park?
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Robert T Ackerman on January 21, 2008, 02:29:01 PM
It might be a little mix of both... the fact you can get close, and they are a little larger than Nitro's hills.

I used to be excited about this ride, but then I actually saw the "real" pics of the brakes on every hill, and now I'm just hoping it won't be like Raging Bull.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Millennium Force 44 on January 21, 2008, 05:00:34 PM
I used to be excited about this ride, but then I actually saw the "real" pics of the brakes on every hill, and now I'm just hoping it won't be like Raging Bull.

hahah... we will soon see
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Steve on January 21, 2008, 05:39:35 PM
I also like how the press release said the drop was 85 degrees. There is no way it is 85 degrees.

And anyone that wants to argue that why would they say that? Well why did Busch advertise their Dive coasters as having two 90 degree drops when they clearly don't.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: GADVwow on January 21, 2008, 05:44:26 PM
Ha!  Raging Bull was advertised as having "inclined loops."

See the second press release here:

http://www.coasterphotos.com/SFGAm/sfgamnews.htm
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Bubba Z on January 21, 2008, 06:50:29 PM
I used to be excited about this ride

Stay home. :P
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: GADVwow on January 21, 2008, 09:02:06 PM
And if you DO go, be sure you have the necessary documents to get back in the mother country....
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Dubya91 on January 21, 2008, 10:39:15 PM
Dont ask why I know this but a DUI/DWI in Canada will go against your NY Drivers license since Buffalo is so close to Canada...

Benemoth is around the Toronto Area no?
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: GADVwow on January 21, 2008, 10:42:49 PM
Yes, it is very close to Toronto. . .

Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Millennium Force 44 on March 15, 2008, 09:04:37 PM
Testing video'
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=I0EbJOzATPk&fmt=18
Behemoth looks great. It also travels through the course alot faster than I imagined it to.

Cool pic of the trains
http://i31.tinypic.com/1267hiw.jpg
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Steve on March 16, 2008, 06:08:22 PM
Well, you can see the trim brakes are working just fine.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: GADVwow on March 16, 2008, 06:10:48 PM
Yep.

Nitro, it ain't.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Millennium Force 44 on March 19, 2008, 12:37:06 AM
Another cool testing video.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=XIX4q4Y_ZcU
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Robert T Ackerman on March 19, 2008, 01:07:14 AM
Well, you can see the trim brakes are working just fine.

I can't watch the videos here at work, I will check them out when I get home, BUT if you can tell that the trims are working fine just by a video... that makes me even more dissapointed in this ride. Why build it if you need to add brakes to it?!?! I just don't get it. B&M seems to be good at over designing their rides, so why the need for adjustment?
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Robert T Ackerman on March 19, 2008, 03:02:05 AM
OK, now that I watched the video... it doesn't look as if the brakes slow it down too much, but still seem pretty pointless to me. I'm also hoping they can keep the mid course brake that "loose" for when it finally opens.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: AV Matt on March 22, 2008, 10:07:10 PM
Looks like it could still be great. I wonder if B&M's thinking on the trims is to design the hills so that the train should be able to crest them at a high speed no matter how slow it's running at any given time (due to weather and break-in for the day/season) and use the trims (which are speed activated) to bring the train down to their ideal design speed. In other words, the trims will always bring the train down to say 25mph no matter if it is running 25 or 30mph at that moment, where as previous rides seemed to be designed around their most common operating speed and hence the huge variance in ride intensity from day to day. B&M seem to be all about getting rid of any hint of wooden coaster traits from their rides if you know what I mean. No designers are more of control freaks than they are.

Just a thought from an enthusiast with an engineering degree. I will groan every time I hear a trim regardless, but as long as all the hills deliver like Nitro and Goliath Over Georgia, it will be great.


Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Millennium Force 44 on April 25, 2008, 10:52:51 PM
Check out this news clip:
http://watch.ctv.ca/news/top-picks/behemoth/#clip48428
Idk if it's just me, but from the helicopter views, Behemoth kind of resembles Goliath at SFMM with the new style trains and the helix after the MCBR.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Bubba Z on April 25, 2008, 11:18:38 PM
It looks like a mix of every other B&M hyper out there. Should be fun if I every get a passport.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Dubya91 on April 26, 2008, 06:13:59 PM
That Hammerhead looks awesome!
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: ChuckR on April 27, 2008, 04:27:52 PM
How about they build one of these in Mississippi?
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: coastersue on April 27, 2008, 06:47:14 PM
It's been a while since we've been to Canada's Wonderland so we're really looking forward to going back this year.  We're planning to go to the WNYCC event there on the Sunday of Labor Day weekend.  ERT on Behemoth!!!  :)
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: dkny6363 on August 27, 2012, 09:47:31 PM
Just found this thread.

Behemoth just obtained enough riders to be considered in coasterbuzz top 100. Not trying to be mr super homer but its sitting in the 7th spot. 1 ahead of phoenix. Now I know rankings are rankings but it does prove that there are people out there that think this ride is as great as I do. Everyone I met at HWN's and PPP when it came up all raved about it. It has the highest score of any BM. The others.. Diamondback #10, Intimidator #11, Nitro #12, Goliath #14, and Apollo #15. Bringing up the rear is Bull #39 and Quebec Goliath (not enough votes) I don't for a second think it's better than all the rest, but i'm glad to see its in the conversation.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Blackhand1001 on August 27, 2012, 11:05:21 PM
Just found this thread.

Behemoth just obtained enough riders to be considered in coasterbuzz top 100. Not trying to be mr super homer but its sitting in the 7th spot. 1 ahead of phoenix. Now I know rankings are rankings but it does prove that there are people out there that think this ride is as great as I do. Everyone I met at HWN's and PPP when it came up all raved about it. It has the highest score of any BM. The others.. Diamondback #10, Intimidator #11, Nitro #12, Goliath #14, and Apollo #15. Bringing up the rear is Bull #39 and Quebec Goliath (not enough votes) I don't for a second think it's better than all the rest, but i'm glad to see its in the conversation.

Intimidator at carowinds being rated higher than nitro is a Joke. Thats by far the worse of the new B&M hypers.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: B-mac on August 28, 2012, 09:36:20 AM
I have seen people rave about i232, Raging Bull, and Canadialiath. The odd thing is most people rate one or two of those three ahead of Nitro and Apollo's, and even Behemoth. Some enthusiasts jsu have weird tastes when it comes to hypers.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: AV Matt on August 28, 2012, 09:36:49 AM
Coasterbuzzers have horrible opinions. ;)

No B&M is even in the same league as Phoenix.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: B-mac on August 28, 2012, 09:41:17 AM
I take it they have millennium force, i305, bizarro ne, and el toro in the top 5. Usually when polls have a lean like that there's a total bias towards select manufacturers, even if the rides aren't that great.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: AV Matt on August 28, 2012, 10:26:58 AM
Yeah all of those get high rankings. Anything Intamin, B&M or GCI tends to please the buzzers. They are also very biased toward anything at Cedar Point because the website is an off-shoot of PointBuzz and brought over a lot of the same members originally. And Jeff Putz (the webmaster) is a total Cedar Point fanboy.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: B-mac on August 28, 2012, 10:40:03 AM
So I guess the CGA woodie and White Lightning are really getting them going. Really don't like the bias towards the big 2 for steels, it's like anything else that is made should be melted in for scrap to them.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: dkny6363 on August 28, 2012, 11:15:03 PM
Yeah all of those get high rankings. Anything Intamin, B&M or GCI tends to please the buzzers. They are also very biased toward anything at Cedar Point because the website is an off-shoot of PointBuzz and brought over a lot of the same members originally. And Jeff Putz (the webmaster) is a total Cedar Point fanboy.

To be fair Voyage is number 1 on this list. GCI is not overly well represented. Thunderhead is around 8th, American Thunder #20 and Lightning Racer is in the 30's. There are alot of B&M's but they are all 7th or lower.

These rankings are much like all ranking boards just shuffled around here and there. Voyage and Toro are 1 and 2, MF and Bizz are both top 5. Boulder dash is top 5. I take rankings with a grain of salt but they are deffinatly a good reference. 

Points Coasters are all about where you would expect them. MF is way high, but its top 5 on all lists.

Strangely I305 is way down. Like 20+

Obviously No B&M's touch Phoenix. Ohh except Behemoth which is ranked higher ;) So it must be a fact.

Wood and Steel should always be separate.



Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: B-mac on August 28, 2012, 11:22:27 PM

Wood and Steel should always be separate.


This. It's hard enough trying to explain that type of philosophy to a community who's been using a simplistic top 10 for 5 years now (CoasterForce). I still use it and still reference it a lot even when I get questioned about it.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Edwardo on September 02, 2012, 01:24:02 PM
I rank wood and steel together easily. It comes down to if every coaster I've ridden were in the same park, what order would I ride the in?
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: AV Matt on September 02, 2012, 06:03:50 PM
Not sure how you find that easy. I can't even really pick ten favorites of either category, let alone rank them in order I would want to ride them. 
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Edwardo on September 02, 2012, 06:57:09 PM
I can.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Edwardo on September 02, 2012, 08:53:30 PM
In fact, I'll try to share my spreadsheet.  It's ranked, with stats on the coasters.  I have it on Google Drive.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: dkny6363 on September 02, 2012, 10:47:00 PM
Fun fact. Behemoth is the highest rated BM hyper on the most recent Hawkers poll. As well as coaster Buzz.

I can rank them together, but its hard to not change your mind depending on mood. Not to mention if I rode Phoenix two weeks ago of course I like it more than RF2 which I havent rode in over a year.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: B-mac on September 03, 2012, 06:27:11 PM
I guess people got past the trimmage especially after its cousin i232 opened up. I've been hearing a lot more hate lately about i232 than Leviathan, Behemoth, and Shambhala. Would love to get up to Canadaland but I got no passport at the moment, so that's going to be years down the road.

Only things I can rank are #1 wood and #1 steel, and that's really just which one I would prefer to ride more. Anything below that is just a giant ? and gets changed up constantly.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Edwardo on September 03, 2012, 07:10:03 PM
Can't past the link to my rankings, but here they are in order:

New Texas Giant
El Toro
Phantom's Revenge
Bizarro SFNE
The Voyage
Boulder Dash
Phoenix
Swamp Fox
Maverick
Hypersonic XLC
American Thunder
The Thunderhead
X
Legend
Cornball Express
Superman Ride of Steel SFA
Revenge of the Mummy USO
Afterburn
Villain
Kentucky Rumbler
Raging Bull
Xcelerator
Silver Bullet
Ghostrider
Viper SFGAM
Intimidator 305
Millennium Force
Top Thrill Dragster
The Boss
Volcano The Blast Coaster
Magnum XL-200
Diamondback
Goliath SFOG
Intimidator
Nitro
Desperado
Goliath SFMM
Storm Runner
Raven
Mr. Freeze SFSTl
Mr. Freeze SFOT
Rock 'n' Roller Coaster DISNEY STUDIOS
Wild Eagle
The Incredible Hulk Coaster
Tennessee Tornado
Speed
Shock Wave SFOT
Steel Venom/Possessed
ROAR EAST
Flight of Fear KD
Flight of Fear KI
Thunder Road (Left)
Thunder Run
Twister
Mystery Mine
Dragon Challenge Ice
Great Bear
Talon
Farenheit
Wild One
Cyclone SFNE
Space Mountain (Omega)
The Time Machine
Mind Bender SFOG
Invertigo KI
Two Face The Flip Side SFA
King Cobra KI
Dragon Challenge Fire
Montezooma's Revenge
Greezed Lightnin' SFKK
Expedition Everest
Hydra: The Revenge
Dare Devil Dive
Hollywood Rip, Ride, Rockit
Steel Force
Wicked Twister
Joker's Jinx
Big Bad Wolf
Verbolten
Griffon
California Screamin'
Revenge of the Mummy USH
Jackrabbit
Thunderbolt KW
Grizzly KD
Chang
Raptor
Alpengeist
Batman The Ride SFOG
Bizarro SFGAdv
Scream!
Dominator
Thunder Road (Right)
Batman The Ride SFOT
Batman The Ride SFGAdv
Batman The Ride SFSTl
Batman The Ride SFGAM
Batman The Ride SFMM
Apollo's Chariot
The Beast
Gemini (Blue)
Gemini (Red)
Georgia Scorcher
Rebel Yell(Left)
Rebel Yell (Right)
Back Lot Turbo Coaster KD
Back Lot Stunt Coaster KI
Space Mountain (Alpha)
Titan SFOT
Mad Mouse MB PAVILION
Hurler KD
Blue Streak
Kingda Ka
Georgia Cyclone
Great American Scream Machine SFOG
Batman The Dark Knight
Superman Ultimate Flight SFGAdv
Superman Ultimate Flight SFOG
Shockwave SFGA
Iron Wolf
Viper SFMM
Vortex KI
Shockwave KD
Riddler's Revenge
American Eagle
Big Dipper GEAUGA
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad MAGIC KINGDOM
Revolution
Round About
Anaconda
Screamin' Eagle
Double Loop GEAUGA
Carolina Cyclone
Racer (left)
Racer (right)
Canyon Blaster ADVENTURDOME
Ricochet KD
Ricochet CAROWINDS
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad DISNEYLAND
Loch Ness Monster
Hoosier Hurricane
Lightning Racers (Lightning)
Lightning Racers (Thunder)
Hurler CAROWINDS
Lost Coaster of Superstition Mountain
Exterminator
Primeval Whirl
Head Spin/Carolina Cobra
The Dark Knight
Pandemonium SFOT
Pandemonium SFNE
Pandemonium SFSTl
Wild Mouse HERSHEY
Wild Mouse DORNEY
Mad Mouse QUASSY
Ninja SFSTl
Sidewinder
Boomerang KBF
Flashback SFNE
Zoomerang
Roadrunner Express SFKK
Mullholland Madness
Wild Mouse BEECH BEND
Crazy Mouse MB GRAND PRIX
Avalanche KD
Twisted Twins (Lola)
SuperDooperLooper
Jaguar!
Wild Mouse STATE FAIR OF WV
Thunderhawk
Demon SFGAM
Iron Horse
Runaway Mountain
La Vibora
Corkscrew CEDAR POINT
Mind Eraser SFA
Mind Eraser SFNE
T2
Flight Deck KD
Mantis
Matterhorn (left)
Matterhorn (right)
Great American Scream Machine SFGAdv
Batwing
Manhattan Express/The Roller Coaster
Iron Dragon
X-Flight GEAUGA
Blazing Fury
Skull Mountain
Big Dipper CAMDEN
Disaster Transport
Dahlonega Mine Train
Runaway Mine Train
Comet HERSHEY
Wild Cat HERSHEY
Superman The Escape (Right)
Corkscrew MB PAVILION
Galaxi MB PAVILION
Wildcat CP
Zyklon DIXIE CLASSIC FAIR
Tig'RR IB
Galaxy IB
Woodstock Express KD
Woodstock Express KI
Woodstock Express CAROWINDS
Flying Ace Arial Chase CAROWINDS
Flying Ace Arial Chase KI
Nickelodeon's Flying Super Saturator
Soak'd
Racer KW
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Son of Beast
Alpine Coaster
Runaway Mine Train SFGAdv
Barnstormer
Trailblazer
Gadget's Go Coaster
Raging Wolf Bobs
Mean Streak
Hurricane Category 5
Little Eagle
The Flying Unicorn
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Hang Ten
Little Dipper  CAMDEN
Woodstock Express CP
Woodstock Express DORNEY
Adventure Express
Roller Skater SFKK
Indy 500
Racing
Dragon
Kosmo's Kurves
Mini Mine Train
Lucy's Crabby Cabbie
Veggie Tales Sideshow Coaster
Blackbeard's Lost Treasure Train
Catwoman's Whip
Beaver Land Mine Ride
Wile E. Cyote's Canyon Blaster
The Great Chase
Ninja SFOG
Howler
Cedar Creek Mine Ride
Goldrusher SFMM
Carolina Gold Rusher
River King Mine Train
Rolling Thunder (Left)
Rolling Thunder (Right)
Thunderhawk DORNEY
Grover's Alpine Express
Colossus
Psyclone
Nighthawk
Dragon BEECH BEND
High Roller STRATOSPHERE
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Vortex CAROWINDS
Judge Roy Scream
Cyclone ASTROLAND
Thunderbolt SFNE
Orient Express STATE FAIR OF WV
Looping Star BEECH BEND
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: B-mac on September 03, 2012, 08:31:43 PM
Yeah google docs isn't really that kind with direct links.

ROAR East fan, I like that already! I have heard that it's one of the better woods in the southern region but I just haven't had the opportunity to get out to SFA to ride it (A head's up about it would've been lovely Matt).

I guess all the clones and duelies are considered ties other than the Hurlers?
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: dkny6363 on September 03, 2012, 09:24:48 PM
It's hard to rank coasters acuratly until you've been to a park 3-5 times. A couple of rides on one given day tells you next to nothing about a coaster. As much Behemoth is my fav Hyper its hard to say with out a doubt its better than nitro considering I have 1 lap lifetime on Nitro in the 2nd row at 10:30 am. Next time I get to SFGAdv Nitro is getting marathoned.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: AV Matt on September 04, 2012, 11:01:43 AM
You'd rather ride Woodstock Express than Kennywood's Racer. Wow.  I call invalid. LOL
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Blackhand1001 on September 04, 2012, 11:03:17 AM
It's hard to rank coasters acuratly until you've been to a park 3-5 times. A couple of rides on one given day tells you next to nothing about a coaster. As much Behemoth is my fav Hyper its hard to say with out a doubt its better than nitro considering I have 1 lap lifetime on Nitro in the 2nd row at 10:30 am. Next time I get to SFGAdv Nitro is getting marathoned.

Ride nitro in the back row next time.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Ogolo on September 04, 2012, 11:53:52 AM
And not this year...
Nitro was a little rough a few months ago and I doubt they fixed it since.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: dkny6363 on September 04, 2012, 12:18:36 PM
I think my next visit may be my first go with a flash pass.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: AV Matt on September 04, 2012, 04:23:33 PM
Apollo was killing it this weekend! Love that ride!
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Blackhand1001 on September 04, 2012, 04:40:28 PM
And not this year...
Nitro was a little rough a few months ago and I doubt they fixed it since.

Wow, Are you kidding me, rough?  ;) What does that make rolling thunder then? It was fine everytime I rode it. If it was extra rough than it was most likely a worn wheel and since has been replaced by now.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Ogolo on September 04, 2012, 04:51:41 PM
I suppose I'll find out Saturday morning.
Earlier in the season they seemed in no rush to be replacing those worn wheels.
Maybe they were saving them for a special occasion.

It also sounds like the weekend fireworks were a no go.
Maybe they will have them for ROTB!
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Edwardo on September 04, 2012, 07:37:48 PM
Racer at KW is one of the most boring rides ever. Could be that there are three amazing coaster near by. But it's boring.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Edwardo on September 04, 2012, 07:39:32 PM
PS that Woodstock Express that ranks higher are the three kiddy woodies at the former paramount parks. I think they're more fun than Racer.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: rjholla2003 on September 04, 2012, 08:36:40 PM
Nitro has its moments where it shows its age and is a little...vibratey. It's been pretty good this season though, from my experience.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: B-mac on September 04, 2012, 10:58:46 PM
Nitro has its moments where it shows its age and is a little...vibratey. It's been pretty good this season though, from my experience.

Thing is even the newer B&Ms (I'm looking at you Hydra) have more of a rattle than Nitro has. If age is to blame for Nitro's rattling, I really want to know what's wrong with the newer B&Ms.

Also on the lighter side the rattle cannot be anywhere near as bad as Furius Baco @ Port Adventura, those PoVs look like they were done on a washing machine xD
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: AV Matt on September 04, 2012, 11:39:49 PM
Wow Clint. Have you ridden Racer in the back? It's great. I'd take it over Jack Rabbit any day. Several hills with airtime, the best being the final drop. Add in the racing and handslapping... Better than most coasters IMO.  Even the front is better than the PTC Junior woodies. 
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: WadeJ on September 05, 2012, 08:52:09 AM
Nitro has its moments where it shows its age and is a little...vibratey. It's been pretty good this season though, from my experience.

Thing is even the newer B&Ms (I'm looking at you Hydra) have more of a rattle than Nitro has. If age is to blame for Nitro's rattling, I really want to know what's wrong with the newer B&Ms.

Also on the lighter side the rattle cannot be anywhere near as bad as Furius Baco @ Port Adventura, those PoVs look like they were done on a washing machine xD

I believe Nitro's rattle is nothing more than some bad road wheels.  Basically, budget cuts.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Edwardo on September 05, 2012, 10:25:26 AM
Yeah, I've ridden Racer in the front and back, both sides, on 2 seperate visits.  Just wasn't a fan.  It was slow and no real airtime both visits.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: B-mac on September 05, 2012, 04:11:01 PM


I believe Nitro's rattle is nothing more than some bad road wheels.  Basically, budget cuts.

As long as they make sure they aren't delaminating themselves while the train is running circuits like what's happened on i305 quite a few times it shouldn't be that big of a deal either way.

I'd love to get to Kennywood at some point next year, it's only a 4 hour drive from my house so I can easily do it in a day trip (although I really want to add more parks to the trip like Cedar Point). Then and again I live 45 minutes from SFA and still haven't gone there yet xD
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Ogolo on September 05, 2012, 04:56:27 PM
My large shoutbox idea has finally become a reality with this thread.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: dkny6363 on September 05, 2012, 06:33:39 PM
If behemoth was spelled right maybe the thread would be more respected.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Benemoth
Post by: Blackhand1001 on September 05, 2012, 08:33:48 PM
If behemoth was spelled right maybe the thread would be more respected.

Lol, Never even noticed I'll fix it now. Weird how I never saw benemoth until you pointed it out.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Behemoth
Post by: AV Matt on September 05, 2012, 09:05:02 PM
My large shoutbox idea has finally become a reality with this thread.

Isn't that the AV Matt and Canada's Tree Fort thread? ;)
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Behemoth
Post by: dkny6363 on September 05, 2012, 09:42:15 PM
Tooo funny. Probably the first time a five yr old coaster gets a thread made about it being new.

I rode racer once and it was dark. I have no idea what happened but I did find it OK.

ps: Mobious... respect dat!

Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Behemoth
Post by: B-mac on September 05, 2012, 10:50:56 PM
So would you have to ride Racer all the way around for it to count as a cred or does it just count as a 1/2 a cred if you rode one side?
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Behemoth
Post by: Ogolo on September 06, 2012, 05:44:01 AM
LOL...I suppose that was the original intention of the fort.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Behemoth
Post by: AV Matt on September 06, 2012, 09:32:04 AM
Kennywood's Racer is the perfect family woodie. It has some great pops of air, but isn't too extreme, and the closeness and racing aspect make it extra fun. I always thought every park should have something similar. 

One of my fondest ERT memories is from that ride in 1991. We were passing balloons back and forth to see how many passes we could get each time around. 

Unfortunately today the operations are really slow due to "modern safety measures" so it's hard to get lots of rides on it, but I would love to have ERT on it again!

I count it as one coaster. 
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Behemoth
Post by: B-mac on September 06, 2012, 10:09:10 AM
Kennywood's Racer is the perfect family woodie. It has some great pops of air, but isn't too extreme, and the closeness and racing aspect make it extra fun. I always thought every park should have something similar. 

One of my fondest ERT memories is from that ride in 1991. We were passing balloons back and forth to see how many passes we could get each time around. 

Unfortunately today the operations are really slow due to "modern safety measures" so it's hard to get lots of rides on it, but I would love to have ERT on it again!

I count ir as one coaster. 

20 years ago it was practical to have a stuffed animal ride with you. Those giant bananas and teddy bears would make GREAT riding partners for photos LOL.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Behemoth
Post by: Edwardo on September 06, 2012, 06:17:22 PM
I agree that it's a great family coaster. But that isn't what I like.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Behemoth
Post by: AV Matt on September 07, 2012, 06:55:51 PM
You may be reading too much into what I meant by "family coaster," I'd count CP's Blue Streak as a family coaster. I'm talking mid-level thrill, not a kiddie coaster like the PTC woodies. 
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Behemoth
Post by: Edwardo on September 07, 2012, 07:10:12 PM
No, I agree that blue streak is a family coaster. It's more fun than racer to me, but it's not in my top ten by any means.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Behemoth
Post by: Edwardo on September 07, 2012, 07:12:03 PM
In fact if you look at where I have blew streak, it's in the midst of a bunch of family coasters. And Ka, but I don't really like Ka.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Behemoth
Post by: B-mac on September 07, 2012, 08:38:36 PM
Only reason why I got Blue Streak in my top 10 is because I've only been on 20 woodies. Don't get me wrong it's still decent fun but it's not great, more fun than my experience on Mean Streak that's for sure.
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Behemoth
Post by: dkny6363 on September 07, 2012, 08:51:38 PM
Speaking of woodies... Guess who's rippin up Martins Comet Tomorrow???

Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Behemoth
Post by: AV Matt on September 08, 2012, 10:49:15 AM
Martin's Comet is a wicked awesome woodie. Hope it's running good for ya!
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Behemoth
Post by: dkny6363 on September 08, 2012, 10:10:40 PM
Well Matt I would tell you it was good if imabadperson MARTIN! didn't close up shop with out telling me cuz it rained a lot before noon. 1-5 absolutley beautiful out. I show up at 5:15 for the 2 1/2 hr $10 special to find an empty lot and gates locked. Needless to say I was pretty upset. My Waldameer day feel through last weekend and this was my back up plan. So me and the Mrs. spent 2 hours at the American side of the falls. Very nice time. DAMN MARTIN!
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Behemoth
Post by: AV Matt on September 09, 2012, 12:58:32 AM
Ugh. I've heard of similar experiences from other people. Martin's likes to close on sunny days due to bad weather. Lame. 
Title: Re: Canada's Wonderland New B&M Behemoth
Post by: dkny6363 on September 09, 2012, 06:18:00 PM
I get why they closed yesterday. I just wish they would respect their own hours. Yeah it would have cost them money to stay open on a day like that. But its bad PR to close. It was beautiful when I showed up.