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Help Stop HR669!
« on: April 21, 2009, 11:36:45 AM »
So this is completely unrelated to anything, but it's on my mind and this is why we have this forum!

Anyway, on Thursday Congress will be hearing a bill called HR669 - The Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act. I'm not sure how much support it actually has, but this bill needs to be stopped!

Why?

Well, here's the deal. This bill is meant to, well, stop the importation of animals that are not native to this country. The main goal is to stop stuff like boa constrictors being released into the Florida Everglades and destroying the local ecosystem, which makes sense.

The problem is, whoever wrote this bill made it WAY TOO VAGUE. And it cannot be passed.

Reason is, the bill says that any animals not on an approved list (or on the banned list), are banned. They cannot be bought, bred, sold, traded, brought across state lines, etc. The problem is that this "approved list" isnt even created yet! If the bill passes, it gets passed off to other government agencies (away from Congress) who have 36 months to research animals, their effect on the environment, and put it on the list. So basically, Congress would pass this bill without even knowing what animals will and will not be approved! That's insane!

But it gets better. There are a 'few' animals on the approved list so far, because they are listed in the bill. And those animals are:

- Cats, Dogs, Cows, Chickens, Donkeys, Geese, Ducks, Goats, Goldfish, Horses, Llamas, Mules, Pigs, Rabbits and Sheep

WHAT?

Clearly this bill is missing some animals, such as um, birds, fish, guinea pigs, mice, rats, hamsters, gerbils, ETC ETC ETC. And sure, you can assume they will be put on the approved list - but there's no guarantee they will. Nothing at all. The government could decide that the list in the bill is all that's needed, and outlaw every single other animal. And any animal not on the approved list can be appealed, but, yeah. Good luck.

So the way the bill is written - are you moving out of state? Goodbye pets! The government gets to euthanize them. You aren't allowed to take them across state lines. Want to be able to get your kids a hamster? SORRY! Goodbye all petshops! Some people are even interpreting this bill that you can't even give them to zoos!

This bill may have started with good intentions but it definitely cannot pass as it is. It needs to be shot down. There needs to be a full investigation, and a full list, before a bill like this is even voted on. Whoever thought of the idea of passing a bill without even knowing the consequences is insane.

So what can you guys do? Well, www.nohr669.com is a good resource, and you guys could read up more and there are links to be able to write to your congressman. I already wrote to my buddy Chris Smith.

Oh, and you can read the full bill here, if you're into that kinda thing.

DONT LET THIS BILL PASS!
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Re: Help Stop HR669!
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2009, 11:40:28 AM »
I swear I thought this was spam at first...


BAN! :D




It's actually interesting. I shall read more later!


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Re: Help Stop HR669!
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2009, 11:49:53 AM »
Here's some more information

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CONGRESSIONAL HEARING BANNING
NONNATIVE SPECIES
APRIL 23, 2009
ACTION NEEDED

THE ISSUE

The Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act (H.R. 669), introduced by Del. Madeleine Bordallo (D-Guam) Chair of the Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans and Wildlife of the House Natural Resources Committee would totally revamp how nonnative species are regulated under the Lacey Act.

Currently, the Fish and Wildlife Service is required to demonstrate that a species is injurious [harmful] to health and welfare of humans, the interests of agriculture, horticulture or forestry, and the welfare and survival of wildlife resources of the U.S.

HR 669 substantially complicates that process by compelling the Service to produce two lists after conducting a risk assessment for each nonnative wildlife species to determine if it is likely to “cause economic or environmental harm or harm to other animal species’ health or human health.” In order to be placed on the “Approved List” it must be established that the species has not, or is not likely, to cause “harm” anywhere in the US. Species that are considered potentially harmful would be placed on an “Unapproved List.” Furthermore, HR 669 would essentially ban all species that do not appear on the Approved List, regardless of whether or not they have ever been petitioned for listing or are sufficiently well studied to enable a listing determination.

Species not appearing on the “Approved List” could not be imported into the United States; therefore, all unapproved nonnative species could not be moved interstate. In addition, trade in all such unlisted species would come to a halt – possession would be limited and all breeding would cease. Unless those species are included on the approved list import, export, transport, and breeding would be prohibited. Exceptions are limited and would not be available to pet owners across the nation.

THE IMPACT

Nonnative species in the pet trade encompass virtually every bird, reptile, fish and a number of mammals (e.g., hamsters, gerbils, guinea pigs, ferrets) commonly kept as pets. It is immaterial under HR 669 that the

* Vast majority of these nonnative species in the pet trade have been in the United States in large numbers for decades, some for hundreds of years, and have not proven to be an environmental problem.
* Numerous species are raised in the United States for many purposes, pets, recreational fishing and hunting, food, etc.
* Only a small number of species kept as pets have caused environmental problems, and this has generally been on a very localized basis (i.e. southern Florida, Hawaii).
* Most states have exercised their authority to regulate problem species within their own borders through a mixture of management regimes ranging from permit systems to bans. HR669 - March 31, 2009
* The HR 669 listing criteria mandates proving a negative – that no harm has or is likely to occur within whole of the entire United States.
* The “risk assessment” process is too limited in scope and application and should instead be a a broader “risk analysis” that also takes into consideration socio-economic factors and mitigation (management) measures that might be utilized by the federal and state agencies.


HR 669 would employ a 2-step process of a Preliminary and a Final Approved List along with the Services having to promulgate regulations not only to deal with creation of the lists but also regulating all aspects of this rather complex bill. The Service would have to complete major portions of the list and regulation process within 24 months of passage. Imagine how the Service will be able to conduct the required risk assessment outlined in HR 669 within these timeframes when it takes on average 4 years for the Service to find a species harmful under the current Lacey Act. The bill sets up the under-resourced Service for failure and numerous lawsuits by activist groups.

Listing Process - To list or not to list? -- That is the question!
The listing process is somewhat complex. To place a species on the Preliminary Approved List (at some point in time converts to a Final Approved List) the Service must make a determination that those listed species, based on scientific and commercial information, are

* Not harmful to the United State’s economy, environment or other animals’ or human health OR
* May be harmful “but already are so widespread in the United States that it is clear to the Secretary that any import prohibitions or restrictions would have no practical utility for the United States.”

While proponents would argue that this test would not be as rigorous as the ultimate test set forth in HR 669, PIJAC is at a loss how one proves no harm under the alleged simplified test for inclusion on the “Preliminary Approved List.”

To get on the ultimate “Approved List ” (accomplished within 37 months), the Service would have to complete risk assessments, not risk analysis, using the following criteria. The assessors would have to make a determination based on:

* Species identified to species level, and if possible information to subspecies level;
* Native range of the species (which may or not be fully known);
* Whether species has established, spread, or caused harm to the economy, the environment, or other animal species or human health in ecosystems in or ecosystems similar to those in the US;
* Environmental conditions exist in the US that suitable for establishment of the species;
* Likelihood of establishment in the US;
* Likelihood of speared in the US;
* Likelihood species would harm wildlife resources of the US;
* Likelihood the species would harm native species that are “rare” (not defined) or listed under Endangered Species Act;
* Likelihood species would harm habitats or ecosystems of the US;
* Likelihood “pathogenic species or parasitic species may accompany the species proposed for importation;” and
* Other factors “important to assessing the risk associated with the species”.

Once a determination is made, the Service will place a species on one of 3 lists

* Approved List
* Unapproved List
* The “Non-list” (section 4(2)(C)) for species for which “the Secretary has insufficient scientific and commercial information to make a determination “ whether to approve or disapprove.

User Fees
HR 669 also calls for the establishment of a user fee system for funding assessments following the adoption of the “Preliminary Approved List.” This has been a long term desire of animal activist and environmental protectionist organizations since they know that user fees can become cost prohibitive and virtually eliminate small interest groups or business from participating in the process. It can easily paralyze access except for the wealthy or those living off of tax exempt dollars who use the system to drive their agendas. Furthermore, fees are not made available to the Service until 36 months into the process. It is not clear how the Service would implement the first three years of work under HR 669.

RECOMMENDATIONS – TIME IS NOW!
According to the Defenders of Wildlife "For far too long the pet, aquarium and other industries have imported live animals to the United States without regard to their harm…" Defenders, the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) and The Nature Conservancy (TNC) are part of a coalition pushing hard for passage of this bill without amendments.

A HEARING has been scheduled for April 23 and the pet industry needs to be heard load and clear prior to the hearing! The anti-trade elements are hard at work to stop activities involving non-native species.

A copy of HR 669 can be found on PIJAC’s website in the “Breaking News” and the “HR669 Forum” sections of the www.pijac.org. Read the bill carefully since it could shut down major segments of the pet industry virtually overnight.

PIJAC POSITION -- PIJAC supports the underlying intent of HR 669 to establish a risk-based process in order to prevent the introduction of potentially invasive species. It has been clear for quite some time that steps are needed to enhance and improve the current listing process for species shown to be injurious under the Lacey Act. In addition to much needed appropriations to fund staff and other ancillary support aids, the Lacey Act needs to be modernized to make the process more timely, efficient and transparent. However, HR 669 falls far short of accomplishing this objective.

A few talking points:

The approach taken in HR 669 will adversely impact trade and other activities involving nonnative species without utilizing a scientifically valid approach – even in the limited instances in which sufficient data are available on the biology and range of species, it will be virtually impossible to prove that they could not establish and spread in some portion of the US. Thus, it will be nearly impossible to get species on the “Approved List” unless they are so widespread in the country already.

The degree of uncertainty that will result by applying the “as if” criteria will result in virtually every species ending up on the list for which there is insufficient information to make a decision DESPITE THE FACT that most of these species have been in trade, recreational use, farming, etc. for decades with only a small percentage of species being problematic and then in localized situations

A one size assessment process fits all species is not plausible – what may be harmful in Hawaiian waters would not be harmful in Kansas or the deserts of Arizona or Texas.

HR 669 overly simplifies the complexity of the issue; bans all species unless they can get on an approved list; the criteria for the Approved List are not realistic; the lists are biased towards those entities that can afford to engage in the process – undoubtedly the USFWS will be paralyzed by activist animal rights and protectionist environmental organizations petitioning for species to be unapproved;

The USFWS does not have the capacity to implement the provisions given limited staff, money, and unrealistic timeliness; and the unintended consequences of a sloppy bill could actually be to facilitate the mass release of animals, and/or their mass euthanasia.

HR 669 does not take into consideration the socio-economic complexity of the issue. Stakeholders dependent upon access to non-native species include diverse interests: pet industry, sports fishing, federal/state hatcheries, agriculture, biomedical research, entertainment, hunting, food aquaculture. Currently, thousands of non-natives species are both imported and exported, as well as captive raised (in some instances farmed on ranched) within the United States. While most of these species are never
intended for release into natural environments, some of these species (e.g. oysters, trout, bass, deer, game birds) are managed by government and private entities throughout the US.

HR 669 calls for a risk assessment when, in fact, a risk analysis process is warranted. A risk assessment only considers biological indices related to potential invasiveness, while a risk analysis considers both these, as well as socio-economic factors, including potential management options. A risk analysis can enable strategic decisions to be made, such as enabling certain species to continue in trade/transport if the risks of invasion could be sufficiently management (e.g. d HR 669 treats the entire United States as if it is a single ecosystem and ignores the historic definition of invasive species that applies to a specific ecosystem, not the political boundaries of the United States as an ecosystem.

Setting criteria in statute removes flexibility that could be achieved through rulemaking since a “one-sizefits-all” process is not appropriate for all taxa, regions of the country, proposed usage of the species, etc.

Deadlines are unrealistic. While we recognize the rationale for placing timeframes on USFWS, deadlines cause lawsuits; deadlines mandate action for unfunded mandates; two (2) years is unrealistic to conduct an assessment (even a rough screen) of literally thousands of species (1) imported, (2) raised in US for local markets as well as exports, and (3) imported as well as raised in US.

Animals owned prior to prohibition of importation (Section 2(f)) is major departure from current prohibitions under Lacey Act. HR 669 would allow possession of “an animal” if prove legally owned pre-launch of assessment. There is no indication as to what it takes to prove legality? Nor would one
know when an assessment of a particular species was launched.

Assuming that more than a handful of non-native species end up on an approved list, enforcement of a list of species that have been in trade for decades will be more difficult than a dirty list. It is well established that only a small percentage of the species in trade have been shown to be “invasive.” The ornamental aquarium industry, for example, deals with more than 2,500 species of freshwater and marine fish. A handful of species have been found to be a problem in Southern Florida, but not elsewhere in the US; some found to be a problem in Hawaii are not a problem in Kansas.

Promulgation of regulations implementing the HR 669 process will be complex and doubtful if can be achieved within prescribed timeframe, especially if USFWS is to simultaneously conduct thousands of assessments on species already in trade.

ACT NOW – Also alert your employees, friends, neighbors, competitors, and any other like-minded people and urge them to take time to respond to this unworkable approach to dealing with f an issue of concern to all of us.

Some comments on the bill:

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"The bill creates severe restrictions that could adversely impact the importation, breeding, sale, or interstate transport of common household pets such as gerbils, hamsters, guinea pigs, fish, and various birds, reptiles and amphibians in the U.S. A coalition of animal rights groups that includes the Humane Society of the U.S. is pushing for the bill's passage without amendments."

"While PetSmart agrees with and supports the underlying premise of the proposed regulation - to keep harmful non-native species out of the country - we oppose the proposed legislation on several grounds." - PetSmart

"HR 669 is an "anti-animal bill". There is no amendment that can fix this bill. HR 669 will hurt everyone who owns an animal, and it will hurt our animals. Breeder, pet owner, rescuer, rehabilitator, zoo, service or product provider - it doesn't matter - we will all be hurt by this bill. " - American Federation Of Aviculture

"If you find this is as troublesome as I do, you need to act quickly. I urge you to take the time right now to let your congressmen know your concerns. Also, alert your employees, friends, neighbors and any other like-minded people and urge them to do the same." - American Pet Products Association

"ANY animal except dogs, cats and goldfish will need to go through a costly, extensive study to prove they will not cause harm AND be approved by the US Fish and Wildlife Service before they can be pets. The proposed congressional ban on "nonnative species" will affect hundreds of millions of animals currently kept as pets." - East Texas Herpetological Society

"Most of the nonnative species kept as pets in the US have never posed a problem to humans or the environment. Yet all these species would have to be evaluated and approved or they would be ILLEGAL to possess, breed, import, export, transport, and barter or sell!

While it is important to protect our environment and analyze whether or not a specific species poses a risk, this bill as presently written does not provide a realistic and achievable solution to the problem." - Avicultural Society Of America

"HR 669 would essentially ban all species that do not appear on the Approved List, regardless of whether or not they have ever been petitioned for listing or are sufficiently well studied to enable a listing determination." - Wisconsin Aquaculture Association, Inc.

"The 'The Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act' would in effect ban the importation, interstate movement and procession of most birds, fish reptiles and small animals, other than cats, dogs and farm animals." - National Finch and Softbill Society

"HR 669 bans import, export, transport, breeding, sale or barter of ALL nonnative species unless they are placed on an Approved List established by the USFWS after extensive study. This law would affect most pet owners of non native species. Most pet birds, ornamental aquarium fish, reptiles and small pet mammals are nonnative species and would be ILLEGAL under this act, unless placed on the Approved List!"- National Animal Interest Alliance Trust
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Re: Help Stop HR669!
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2009, 08:13:00 PM »
I go Scuba Diving alot down in Florida, Lionfish have moved over onto our side of the world and now they are beginning to run wild on the reefs and are starting to ruin the ecosystem.

However this bill will do nothing as alot of these species are smuggled in...
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