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The nascar forum
« on: January 15, 2010, 09:13:20 PM »
For anyone who's a nascar fan here, this is your topic. although it's winter, the next race which is the Budweiser Shootout is on feb. 6th. @ the daytona int'l speedway. don't be afraid to speculate about the races, don't be afraid to tell about some rumors, news, events, anything about the orginization is free to be posted.
    -You can get some info about the races off of these sites:
             nascar.com
             jayski.com*
             espn.go.com

* Jayski is were all the rumors go, if it's big enough it's there. They got paint schemes, driver and team info and even give times and locations for the next races, they all do anyway but jayski is the best for this stuff.

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2010, 01:33:46 PM »
This is Jeff Gordons year!


Intamin rhymes with win for a reason!

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2010, 02:21:09 PM »
No way the one sponsered by M&M's is his year. (I like M&M"s.)
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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2010, 07:19:53 PM »
^You mean Kyle "the shrub" Busch?

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2010, 07:58:51 PM »
NASCAR?

See:

http://www.autoextremist.com/fumes1/

This particular link good only through Tuesday...after that you will have to go back and pick Fumes for January 13....

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2010, 05:56:51 PM »
I've known about the automakers' support problems ever since the rumor that Dodge was coming back in '01. In this kind of economy, GM only supports two teams, which are Hendrick and Earnhardt Gannassi Racing. Dodge only supports Penske now, since they are the only win contending team driving Dodges now. Ford supports both Roush and Yates racing teams while Toyota has Gibbs and Red Bull. The support of manufacturers is important to Nascar since money is the backbone to the sport. And one thing that I heard recently was that Volkswagen could possibly join the sport in the upcoming years. What car they'll use I don't know, but Nascar won't allow a diesel engine in the races and all of VW's cars run by Diesel fuels.

edit: GM also supports RCR. Ford is expanding its support to include Front Row Motorsports who will be fielding three FULL time rides in 2010. using the #34,37, and the #38. all cars have drivers on the team, but sponsorship could be an issue.
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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2010, 04:41:57 PM »
Another announcement: Nascar is planning to transition to the old aluminum spoiler that was used before the COT (Car of Tomorrow). This announcement came earlier this week and it is going to be tested at charlotte motor speedway on March 22nd-23rd. The spoiler can show up as early as martinsville which is taking place the weekend after the test.
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Specifications for the new spoiler and quarterpanels on Sprint Cup cars were sent in a memo Monday to teams by series director John Darby. According to the memo the spoiler that will replace the current wing will sit 4 inches atop the deck lid when measured from the centerline. The spoiler will be level across the top with a ground clearance of 43.52 inches from the top of the spoiler to the ground with the chassis on 6- and 8-inch blocks. The spoiler will be 64˝-inches wide and one piece from right to left. It will be fabricated from 3/16-inch thick aluminum and fixed at 70 degrees. The fuel filler hole must be relocated forward of the left lower tip of the spoiler. Also, right and left quarterpanel extensions will be added to all cars. The extensions will be 4 inches long toward the ground at the rear wheel opening. The modifications, according to the memo, are not to be used in competition until all wind tunnel and on-track tests are completed. An open test [at Charlotte] is scheduled for all teams in March. The changes are being made in hopes of improving downforce and improving the quality of racing. They are not expected to be used for the Daytona 500 that kicks off the season on Feb. 14. The Bristol race in March is a more likely target.

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2010, 05:04:24 PM »
So the talk of doing away with the wing is true then eh? I wonder how this is going to change the dynamic of the cars

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2010, 05:15:58 PM »
Hopefully, it won't end up like Talladega in april.

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2010, 07:59:47 PM »
I can't believe nobody has popped in here with politically incorrect comments yet :D.

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2010, 08:13:58 PM »
-He's making a left turn! He's making another left turn!
-Nascar: The ultimate form of torture
-The times of the day when a nascar race is taking place is when america has the highest alcohol consumption rate in the world.
-winnabagoes

I've heard them all, I can go on for a while...


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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2010, 09:13:30 PM »
Did you hear that Dale Earnhardt is getting a new crew chief from
China?   

His name is Win-Won Soon.  :P O0

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2010, 09:14:21 PM »
Sigh.

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2010, 09:32:32 PM »
That one is old, It was originally a joke for Jeff Burton when he drove the #99.

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2010, 03:15:21 PM »
The petty-yates racing merger is final! The team will field four full time cars in 2010, the #9,19,43 and the #98. The #43 will be filled with Aj Allmendinger and will be sponsoredby Best Buy. The #98, the only car from last years yates team, will be filled by Paul Menard and be sponsored by Menard's stores and associates. These four cars will be fords in 2010, also. A big note to this is that in 2008, before all the mergers, they were three teams fielding nine cars. Now they are down to four.

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2010, 04:09:17 PM »
Haha at first I thought it was a joke so I ride it about 4 times. Hahaha

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2010, 10:25:45 AM »
B-Mac, could you just cite your sources please. I wanna read up on it more.

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2010, 12:22:08 PM »
All I read is gibberish in this thread.

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2010, 12:31:41 PM »
I need a translator.


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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2010, 02:54:04 PM »
most likely changes for 2010 season: from jayski.com

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NASCAR Sprint Cup Series' New Car Moves From Wing To Spoiler and other changes: NASCAR has announced that it will relax some on-track rules, putting racing back in drivers' hands in 2010. The changes, which begin with next month's season-opening events at Daytona International Speedway, will allow drivers to be even more competitive. Race rule changes were one of several announcements during Thursday's annual media-tour presentation at NASCAR's Research & Development Center in Concord, N.C. NASCAR Chairman and CEO Brian France said the loosening of on-track reins is another step in enhancing competition and back-to-basics racing. "Over the past 10 years we've dramatically increased safety and that mission continues. However, it's time for us to allow the drivers to drive. We don't want the rules and regulations to get in the way of great racing and fantastic finishes," said France. "NASCAR is a contact sport  our history is based on banging fenders."

Among the changes: Bump-drafting rules will be eliminated at Daytona and Talladega Superspeedway. Teams also will use a bigger restrictor plate at Daytona. Eliminating bump-drafting rules puts responsibility for on-track moves squarely back in drivers' hands. Larger restrictor plates give drivers more horsepower.

NASCAR also announced a significant change to the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series' new car, including replacing the wing currently mounted on the rear of the car with a spoiler. A full-field test is scheduled for March 23-24 at Charlotte Motor Speedway. Following that, a decision on when to implement the spoiler will be made based on teams' input. The switch from wing to spoiler will return to a more traditional stock-car look. "Over the last couple of years, there have been dozens of changes to this car, with this being the most visible change," said Robin Pemberton, NASCAR's vice president of competition.

Also significant: NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Director John Darby has been promoted to Managing Director of Competition, with oversight of all three national series' directors, officials, inspection processes and race officiating. He will continue in his series director's role until his successor is found. "Probably no one is more qualified for this new job than John," Pemberton said. "He knows and understands the officiating and inspection processes better than anyone and is the perfect fit."

For those who don't understand, Daytona will have a larger restrictor plate than ever before(since '89). What that means is the cars will go faster. The yellow line is a "no passing zone" where if you go below it, even by an inch, and complete a pass it will not count. You can give the spot back to the driver or face a penalty where you have to drive through the pits. The only time you can use the yellow line is to avoid incidents.

Another big change is the bump-drafting, which helps the cars go even faster. Before, you weren't allowed to bump in the corners and for one race not at all. Now they plan on allowing them to race heads up with no major on-track limits for the entire race. Which could make the races much better or become a saftey hazard for both drivers and spectators.

The other change will take place later in the year, which involves the cars going back to the old spoiler that they used in the old car. Who knows what'll happen with it, but they say it will help with large pack racing. So instead of having a shoe-box with a wing, it'll be a shoe-box with a fin. If that makes some of it clearer.

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2010, 07:50:56 PM »
Nascar will be cutting the earnings the drivers recieve this year. This is an effort to ease the burden of the race tracks which are responsible for some of the racing winnings.

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NASCAR is cutting by about 10 percent the race winnings it will award teams in the Sprint Cup, Nationwide and Truck Series this season, officials confirmed on Friday. The reduction is part of cost-cutting measures that will alleviate some of the financial burdens on tracks that have suffered during a tough economic environment that has forced them to cut ticket prices with declining attendance. "Last year we launched an industry-wide effort to help the sport manage budgets in this economy," NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said Friday. "NASCAR did the right thing to work with the tracks to reduce their costs in order to manage the economic realities. In return, the tracks have done a great job reducing ticket prices and enhancing the fan experience. Likewise, we worked with the teams to contain costs such as elimination of testing and other steps. This is consistent with how virtually every sport and business has adjusted to the economy over the past year." Bruton Smith, the chairman of Speedway Motorsports Inc., which owns nine tracks that host Cup, Nationwide and Truck events, applauded NASCAR for making the cut. He doesn't believe drivers will particularly like it, "but they understand."(ESPN.com)(1-29-2010)

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2010, 04:04:51 PM »
Here is the procedure for the Duels on Thursday: (from Jayski.com)

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Pole Day: This “locks in” the first two positions – the front row – for the Daytona 500. It also establishes the starting orders for the Gatorade Duel at Daytona, which are two 150-mile qualifying races for the Daytona 500.

The fastest car earns the pole for the Daytona 500 AND the pole for the first Gatorade Duel race.
The second-fastest car earns the outside pole for the Daytona 500 AND the pole for the second Gatorade Duel race.
The Gatorade Duel at Daytona: These two 150-mile qualifying races set positions 3-39 for the Daytona 500.

A combined total of 66 cars will be allowed into the two Gatorade Duel races.
Cars must compete in one of the Gatorade Duel races, in order to race in the Daytona 500.
Odd-number finishers in the final car owner point standings from last season (1st, 3rd, 5th, etc.) are in the first Gatorade Duel race.
Even-number finishers in the final car owner point standings from last season (2nd, 4th, 6th, etc.) are in the second Gatorade Duel race.
Additional qualified cars that weren’t in the final top 35 in last season's owners points are alternated between the two Gatorade Duel fields using an odd-even format.

Setting the Daytona 500 field:
Cars that finished in the top 35 in last seasons final owner point standings automatically make the Daytona 500 field.
The top two starting positions are determined by Pole Day qualifying speeds.
Positions 3-39 are determined by finishing orders in the Gatorade Duel races.
The final four spots in the 43-car field will be based on Pole Day qualifying speeds of cars that have not already earned a starting position. However, if there is an eligible Sprint Cup Series past champion entered who has not already qualified, that past champion will receive the 43rd and final position. If there is more than one past champion eligible for this berth, it goes to the most recent champion.

another way to look at it:

The following cars will be assigned to the first of the two qualifying races:

The odd-number positions (1st, 3rd, 5th, etc.) of the highest-ranked 35 finishers in the final previous NASCAR Sprint Cup Series car owner points standings.

The pole winner from Pole Day Qualifying. Should the pole winner be among the highest-ranked 35 in the the previous season owner points, the pole winner will start in the first race regardless of his odd or even position in those standings. The following cars will be assigned to the second of the two qualifying races:

The even-number positions (2nd, 4th, 6th, etc.) of the highest-ranked 35 finishers in the final previous season NASCAR Sprint Cup Series car owner points standings.

The second-fastest qualifier from qualifying. Should this car be among the highest-ranked 35 in the previous season owner points, it will start in the second race regardless of its odd or even position in those standings. Additional cars that were not among the highest-ranked 35 in the final previous season car owner points will be alternated between the first and second 150-mile qualifying events using an odd-even format. The odd-number positions will be assigned to the first qualifier while the even-number positions will be assigned to the second qualifier.

The odd-even positions are not determined by where the car qualified in the overall field, but their specific qualifying order among those cars not part of the highest-ranked 35 group. For example, a car qualifies eighth overall in qualifying, but ranks third-fastest among those cars not part of the highest-ranked 35. That car would be an odd-number position and start in the first race as a result of its qualifying standing of those cars not in the highest-ranked 35.

The lineup for each qualifying race will be set based upon the qualifying speeds in the time trials for all cars, including those who are among the highest-ranked 35 in the finalprevious season car owner point standings. The highest-ranked 35 designation does not determine the car’s starting position, only the assignment of its 150-mile qualifying event.

A maximum of 66 cars will be permitted to compete between the two qualifying races, and all cars must compete in one of these events to be eligible for the Daytona 500.

Starting positions for the Daytona 500 will be designated for the highest-ranked 35 positions from the final previous season car owner point standings from each qualifier, the two-highest finishing cars in each qualifier not among that highest-ranked 35 group and the two front-row qualifiers.

The balance of the 43-car field will be filled by the fastest remaining qualifiers who have not earned a starting position, with the exception of the 43rd position which will be assigned to an eligible former or current Sprint Cup Series champion. Should there not be an eligible champion, the position will be assigned to the next fastest qualifier not in the field.

The simple version: how the Daytona 500 lineup is set:

Pos 1 and 2: Pole sitter and outside pole sitter from qualifying
[no need to be top 35 in prevoius season car Owners Points]

Pos 3 thru 39: top 35 in prevoius season car owners points and two highest finishing teams in each Gatorade Duel races race NOT in the top 35 set by their finishing postion in the Gatorade Duel races.

Pos 40-42: fastest qualifiers not in by above

Pos 43: past champion provisional - at this point only. Otherwise the spot goes to the next fastest qualifier.

The Gatorade Duel races:

The Daytona 500 pole-sitter will start on the pole of the first Gatorade Duel at Daytona. The outside pole winner will start on the pole of the second qualifying race.

Cars that finished in odd positions (first, third, fifth, etc.) in owner's points last season will fill the first qualifying race, and those with even-number finishes will compete in the second race. The lineup for each qualifying race will be set based on the qualifying speeds. Owner's points do not determine the car's starting position, only which of the two Duel races in which it will race.

Cars that were not among the highest-ranked 35 in the previous season will be alternately entered into the two 150-mile qualifying events based on qualifying speeds. The non-top 35 car with the fastest qualifying time is entered into the first (odd) Duel race, the next-fastest in the second (even) race and so on.
Yes this is a lot to read, but if you're interested in watching the duels on thursday on SPEEDtv, then this will make things much clearer.

To add to this, there are two past champions that are elligible to use the provisional, Bobby Labonte and Bill Elliot. Bill Elliot won't need the provisional becausse he qualified in the top three non-top 35. Bobby Labonte is elligible if he doesn't finish in the top 2 non-top 35. If he does finish well enough, then the final position will be given to Michael Waltrip in the #51(if he doesn't qualify for the race during the duels).

I will add the starting line-ups for the duels after this and mark who isn't guaranteed a spot in the race, I will also show their respective numbers if you want to root for anyone.

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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2010, 05:11:08 PM »
Starting Line-up for duels:
Race 1:

1st#5Mark Martin
2nd#39Ryan Newman
3rd#21Bill Elliot
4th#48Jimmie Johnson
5th#33Clint Bowyer
6th#18Kyle Busch
7th#24Jeff Gordon
8th#87Joe Nemechek
9th#1Jamie McMurray
10th#51 Michael Waltrip
11th#6David Ragan
12th#43AJ Allmendinger
13th#99Carl Edwards
14th#11Denny Hamlin
15th#29Kevin Harvick
16th#31Jeff Burton
17th#78Regan Smith
18th#16Greg Biffle
19th#32Reed Sorenson
20th#13Max Papis
21st#34John Andretti
22nd#97Jeff Fuller
23rd#38Robert Richardson Jr.
24th#37Travis Kvapil
25th#46Terry Cook
26th#55Michael Mcdowell
27th#27Kirk Shelmerdine


Race 2:
1st#88Dale Earnhardt Jr.
2nd#42Juan Pablo Montoya
3rd#2Kurt Busch
4th#17Matt Kenseth
5th#77Sam Hornish
6th#82Scott Speed
7th#47Marcos Ambrose
8th#12Brad Keselowski
9th#20Joey Logano
10th#71Bobby Labonte
11th#14Tony Stewart
12th#00David Reutimann
13th#98Paul Menard
14th#9Kasey Khane
15th#36Mike Bliss
16th#7Robby Gordon
17th#56Martin Truex Jr.
18th#83Brian Vickers
19th#19Elliot Sadler
20th#90Casey Mears
21st#49David Gilliland
22nd#09Aric Almirola
23rd#26Boris Said
24th#66David Blaney
25th#75Derricke Cope
26th#92Mike Wallace
27th#57Norm Benning

red indicates not locked in and needs to finish in top two of the colored names
orange indicates can possibly make the field if Labonte finishes in the neccessary two positions
green indicates already in the field

These two races will take place on SPEEDtv starting at noon on thursday.

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2010, 06:16:29 PM »
The duels are over!!! The 500 set for Sunday at noon, and here is the unofficial starting line-up from Jayski.com:

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Re: The nascar forum
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2010, 10:34:17 AM »
Your 52nd annual Daytona 500 winner is Jamie McMurray in the #1 car.
Next race is at the Auto-club speedway in Fontana, CA Sunday at three.
no need for points standings yet since it's only been one race. I'll get that up around martinsville's race.