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It seems Ron Toomer didn't like to push limits. I think that's pretty evident in that Arrow looping coasters didn't really get 'good' until after he retired, which was too late.Thankfully the guy that created and designed the 4D concept for Arrow is the same guy who is working with Rocky Mountain Coasters on The (new) Texas Giant. Which is why I'm excited. Once they were allowed to use computers to design coasters, it shows that they were good at it.
So assuming that account is true, that would debunk all of the theories about B&M designing the layout and Arrow tweaking it.
Orient Express (before it became ridiculously rough)
Having a rather close relation to that ride, I can assure you that B&M was not the original project plan. It was sent for bid just like most projects and they simply didn't go with them.
Having said that, B&M didn't really design their layouts back then anyways, Stengle did.
Well, whoever's been designing the new B&M's needs to get their act together. Most of the hypers as of late (2007-on) aren't very good.