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Great Adventure Boards => Great Adventure Chit Chat => Topic started by: me23 on July 25, 2009, 12:04:42 PM
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I know this is out of season but any secrets about any rides for next year?
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Launched woodie built by Gravity Group with their new "Timberliner Trains". They're going to start clearing land out behind the flume and the ride will incorporate the lake as a splashdown, not once, but twice. Should be exciting to see this new ride progress.
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This is what my sources told me as well. They're not always right, but they were right about Big Bad Wolf, KD's new Giga next year and Geauga Lake closing.
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Nice lol. Stop speculating! Oh well, my vote goes for a .... Wait, nevermind. I'll give away too much. I'll go with - were getting something :).
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Wade!!!! Don't do that!
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Wade can't say anything, but we can. :)
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When will they tell us.
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Probably when 2010 season passes go on sale. That's the usual scheme. ;)
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we are getting new smoking sections to replace the old ones. I heard one even has a loop!
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The restoration of the carousel will be complete with the addition of lockers; Sorry to spoil the surprise.
Rumors are circulating that each smoking section will offer premium seating.
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^ @ $15 dollars a piece
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I heard some were that were geting a dive coaster
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Alright, sarcasm aside, as funny as some of those posts are lol...
Back on topic - The typical rumors are Dive Coaster, Drop Ride, Water Ride (in the theme park) or a Hurricane Harbor Slide of some sort.
I can tell you with a fairly high degree of confidence that a dive coaster isn't happening in 2010. I've been wrong before but I'm fairly certain about this.
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Who knows Wade. Maybe Gadv will be afraid that Doswell is getting a Gigacoaster like BGW and will have to build an amazing attraction to compete. :P
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We need a new good ride we haven't had one since 2006(el torro)
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You mean since Nitro :)
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What Rob said. ;)
Seriously though, three years since El Toro is nothing. Wait another seven years and then tell me Great Adventure needs a new coaster. But only if they've taken care of their other problems first.
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Whats The other problem
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Bankrupt?
Whats The other problem
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They've got plenty of "other" problems, but what parks doesn't. They've got the landscaping thing down, and operations seem to be light ears better than before. But they need to get a better preventive maintenance program going, install some more family friendly rides rather than just big thrill coasters, more flats, no more kiddie areas, added security (consistently)... that's just to name a few.
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Too many to list.
The park is lacking in many things and coaster count is definitely NOT one of them.
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Bankrupt?
Yeah and that :)
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I would love to see a dive coaster in Scream Machine's place or Rolling Thunder's place!!!
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You guys need a Max Air... and not a cheap small version. The full one.
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They sort of already had one and gave it to Great America.
i'd settle for a nice antique car ride.
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I would love to see a dive coaster in Scream Machine's place or Rolling Thunder's place!!!
Hell no! Rolling Thunder is the best coaster in the park!
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And we need it back, and put in a prominent location. It's a spectator ride. Putting it behind Autobanh was the worst mistake with that ride.
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I would love to see a dive coaster in Scream Machine's place or Rolling Thunder's place!!!
Hell no! Rolling Thunder is the best coaster in the park!
Do you guys realize how expensive it is just to demolish a coaster? ??? Really! I think GA is in a sort of black hole, and they cant do anything about it. Not untill they make more money. But I agree, RT is good, but no longer good enough... :(
But if they did have the money, here are the ones that need to go:
RT
GASM
BBLTT
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Hey, I got an idea how about the flat rides situation just change the height requirement to 52 and boom you dont need flat rides
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Change which height requirement?
One of many reasons for adding flat rides is to give guests more options, or bang for their buck. If you pay $60 to get into a park that has 12 coasters, 3 flat rides and a few shows, that's in the range of $3-5 per attraction. Let's say you go to a park with 17 coasters, over 15 flat rides, somewhere around 5-8 shows and still only pay $60 for admission, then you can see why adding extra rides would be beneficial to the guest experience. Not to mention there are some really awesome flat rides out there that I'd love to see at more parks, especially Great Adventure.
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Change all the rides with hight requirement 54 to 52 to make it more kid friendly trust me no one is falling out.
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How do you know that changing the height requirement from 54 to 52 inches is safe? Did you build the ride? These are not arbitrary numbers. The height requirements that are in place are done so by the manufacturer to ensure that the size of person they designed the ride for is who is riding. Sure there is a built in cushion, but I don't think any of us are privy to what exactly that cushion is, and what would end up putting the guest in jeopardy.
Also, that still doesn't fix the issue of the park not having a balanced collection of rides. My favorite thing about Six Flags New Orleans was that they had an absolutely AMAZING collection of flats that made me forget the park was small, or had a limited coaster collection. If there was anything that was truly a shame about that park falling, losing that ride collection was it.
Themeparkrider, why would RT have to go? It's been steadily improving year-after-year as they give it more TLC. Also, I don't see why Blackbeard's would have to go either. It's pretty popular with families with small children. We need MORE rides for this age group, not less! I do agree with Scream Machine though as it doesn't draw it's own crowds more than feeding off of Superman's spillover. The headbanging because of the poor transitions that were standard at that time is no longer charming IMO. It's still a good ride, but it takes too much effort to ride properly in order to not experience pain. It's a classic, and I would be sad to see it go, but I think that it would be fitting if next season turned out to be it's last and the "50th Anniversary" plans that the chain spoke of right before the Ch. 11 filing turned out to include a big ride to replace it. I'd personally love to see a 4D themed out like Bizarro.
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Honsetly, I think that Rolling Thunder is a bit outdated, my opinion. ^-^ When I say RT needs to go, I mean it should be replaced witha more mild, kid friendly ride. I think that Black Beard's Lost Treasur Train should go simply because its not good. But for a kid, okay your right its a good ride. But I don't see it attracting guest over the age of nine. Otherwis, its a good ride. As for RT, maybe they could just fix it up a bit... improve it to look more modern. I'm not saying I judge coasters by the way they look, I'm saying I judge them by the way you experience it, what you see is part of the experience, right?
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So you're saying those little kids that do enjoy the ride because it's targeted for them should lose out on it because you don't like it, and you are not in the target audience? I'm not trying to attack you, I'm just trying to follow the logic here. I understand RT even though I still disagree. I wouldn't miss seeing it go...but it better be replaced with a quality wooden roller coaster if that's the case (my preference, Gravity Group). But Blackbeards is a crowd pleaser for it's demographic.
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...just change the height requirement to 52 and boom you dont need flat rides
What??? Some of us want flat rides. Coasters get boring after a while, especially when there is nothing else to do at the park. I can ride nothing but flat rides at Knoebels all day and be quite happy with my visit. The coasters are just more rides to do, not the only rides to do (unless you're at Great Adventure).
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Flyers at Knoebels are worth the all day wristband alone. :)
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After a trip to BGW and Freestlye parks this summer I have noticed how much we really , really need some flats at SFGADV . We rode the swings , the scrambler and all the flats at both parks . These flats also are targeted to the age group of kids like my son. He is 49 inches . Just big enough for El Toro but not tall enough for the bigger coasters . There are HUGE gaps in the ride choices at GADV. There are kiddie areas yes but they are not for kids his height or age group . Wiggles world is great for small kids as is LTSP . BBNP is Ok but he is boasrd there as well as BJL . There are just not enough rides for the inbetween group . We enjoyed the bumper cars , swings and scrambler these are the kind of rides we need back in our park. Coasters are great but there is so much more out there .
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I feel the dark knight is to blame
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Just stear clear of the Jump 2 by Huss. CW is only 6-7 years old and rumor has it 8th year is 50/50.
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I feel the dark knight is to blame
Care to expand on that? Not sure what that means.
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I like Dark Knight. I'll take it over Skull Mountain or Blackbeards any time. I think there's a huge falic symbol somewhere in the park that would get any blame if there's some to dish and its two Superman counterparts can share some too.
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We also like the Dark Knight . Every year SF has taken the rides there were the war on lines out and have not replaced them with rides that would fit the same area or serve the same height requirements . With old country closed two rides there are not being used at all Bumper cars and music express . I understandd rides get old and need to be replaced but replace them DO NOT put up chrge jumping thngs in as well as little pop up shows or smoking areas . Trust me when I say we really miss the rides like swings , music express , the old bulls by where part of El Toro is , the pirate ships where the show is now ETC all these rides were line killers for the coasters and gave more choices for families .
It sounds like a broken record but SFGADV has become all about just going on coasters which is great for some but not for all that visit .
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I have to agreee that not having a nice flat collection is hurting the park. Yeah, I've been a bad park fan because I haven't purchased a season pass in three years. Problem is that my younger son is NOT a coaster person and neither is my husband anymore. I am in the position where I can't take one kid and not the other. Dane get's bored and discouraged that there isnt much for him to do now. If the park brought back a nice collection of flats, I'd buy a season pass again. Rite now it's just not feasible. We had an excellent time in Wildwood and that was ALL of us. Not just me and my one coaster loving child LOL.
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Diana I hear you . My son LOVES the coasters but it was nice to go to BGW and FMP and ride good old fashioned flat rides . We did it as a family too .
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Every person here goes to six flags for one reason KICK ASS ROLLER COASTERS Period.
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Not really...... some people go so they can enjoy times with friends. Or people force their terrified friends on Nitro Or Toro.
Every person here goes to six flags for one reason KICK ASS ROLLER COASTERS Period.
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Not really...... some people go so they can enjoy times with friends. Ya and how do we do that by riding coasters
were not paying 60$ at the gate to ride flats.
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Alot of people like coasters but like me and Diana as well as others here we have kids and families like different things. My son loves coasters but he also loved the bumper cars and other flats at BGW and Freestlye music park . These flats also keep the coaster lines down believe it or not there were times the line for the swings was longer then the line for BigBadWolf at BGW .
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Every person here goes to six flags for one reason KICK ASS ROLLER COASTERS Period.
Every person here? WRONG. Of course since Great Adventure doesn't really have any flats, I guess when I go there it's to ride coasters, but I'd rather go there to also ride tilt-a-whirls and flyers and antique cars and drop towers and bumper cars and swings and zippers and frisbees and Turbo Bounces and Explorers and Spiders and Octopuses and Rotors and Crazy Daisies and dark rides and rainbows and wipeouts and Hexentanzes and Sizzlers and Tempests and Zippers and Skydivers and Rock-O-Planes and Calypsos and Troikas and Double Ferris Wheels and Slides and Twisters and Monsters and Derby Racers and Frisbees and Tumble Bugs and Bayurn Curves and Swingarounds and Auto Races and hundreds of other rides.
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........ You said frisbee twice :D
Every person here goes to six flags for one reason KICK ASS ROLLER COASTERS Period.
Every person here? WRONG. Of course since Great Adventure doesn't really have any flats, I guess when I go there it's to ride coasters, but I'd rather go there to also ride tilt-a-whirls and flyers and antique cars and drop towers and bumper cars and swings and zippers and frisbees and Turbo Bounces and Explorers and Spiders and Octopuses and Rotors and Crazy Daisies and dark rides and rainbows and wipeouts and Hexentanzes and Sizzlers and Tempests and Zippers and Skydivers and Rock-O-Planes and Calypsos and Troikas and Double Ferris Wheels and Slides and Twisters and Monsters and Derby Racers and Frisbees and Tumble Bugs and Bayurn Curves and Swingarounds and Auto Races and hundreds of other rides.
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me23, if you read the thread you would have seen that you were wrong before you even posted. El Toro might be my favorite ride in the park, but I still thoroughly miss The Pendulum, and I still complain about it's removal and it's poor placement from jump...which probably lead to it's removal because of poor ridership. I still miss Rodeo Stampede as I learned I had another ride I liked a bit too late since it was removed soon after I started riding it. There are guests who still look for Taz Twister, which sat right where El Toro's turnaround is. Lots of guests still look and ask for Autobahn, Flying Wave, and Stuntman's Freefall. When I tell the guests that these rides don't exist anymore, they are genuinely upset. Sure, they are not the highlight of the day, but they are still very important.
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I cannot believe there was a pendulum ride and it was given away.. Mind Boggling!
Was it a kife small one, or a decent size one?
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Okay,rjholla2003,
I understand your point when you say it like that. I mean, Idon't belive its worth it for other people. I didn't personally ask them, just simply guessed. I suppose I was wrong. Now to back up on my statment on RT, here is a list of improvements I think they should make:
1 Smoother ride experience
2 Better lap restraints
3 New paint job
4 Updated cleaner oading dock
5 More of a bank on those painful turns
6 Ambience (fog sounds etc.)
7 Music
8 Faster ride :golfclap:
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^ I think the best part of RT is the buzz bar restraints. Not many coasters have them anymore. Not being stapled into a seat is a big plus for most people.
I'm not even going to get into the "people on go to Six Flags for the coasters" topic but I will say one thing. Six Flags over Texas is my favorite SF park. Only 1 coaster is in my top ten steel, and maybe top 20 overall, but the selection of other things to do besides coasters simply blew me away.
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Shockwave and Freeze!
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Coastermom... I am glad someone can relate. For years I sang the praises of Gadv and now it seriously pains me to say that it hasn't grown with both of my kid's needs. Austin could ride Nitro all Day but, Dane is only good for three of the coasters even though he is tall enough for all of them. They took out entirely to many of their favorite flat/water rides!
This year we decided on Wildwood and a visit to Knoebel's for Phoenix Phall Phunphest. Both of my kids had a blast riding all the flats on each of the Piers at Wildwood. They proclaimed hands down one of the best family days they ever had. Austin and I have had awesome times at Gadv that I will never forget but, now I need to please the entire family! Sorry Gadv if your reading.. The kids (Especially the big one Aka my husband!) have been to and love Knoebel's. If Knoebel's was closer we would probably be there every weekend or at least every other weekend.
Matt keeps mentioning the (Knoebel's) classic flats and, those Flyers are a huge favorite in this household. I wish Gadv could sort of mock Holiday World and have a section devoted entirely to classic Flat rides. That's my wish now, what could they call it.... :)
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Diana I do relate very well . We really wanted to go to Hard Rock Park when it was open but everything was 48 inches . My son last year was too short . We did go this year to Freestyle park not the same but it was great that he could do almost every ride except one. We love Hershey for the same reason there are great flats there . It is amazing how GADV has lost so many great flat rides . Yet even more amazing is that TWO are sitting unopened while they have Cabanas there that NO ONE USES !! UGH . WE could go on and on about this but really will we ever get these flats back ?? Probally not .
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Are any of us going to stop going because their are few flats? listen flats are nice but we don't need them
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Go to more amusement parks and you will realize why we need more.
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We went to Hershey the year they built Stormrunner so, it's been ages but, I do remember Austin talking about The Claw for weeks! I plan on going back there to but, Rick likes the more layed back atmosphere of Knoebel's and feels that Hershey is a little to popular for him.
I think when I came back from Hershey I did mention to Kristen that my favorite thing about it was that in every section where there's a major ride, there's a flurry of flats or kiddie rides to keep the in-between's happy while they wait for the more adventurous family members.
I know that the people from the park who read this site are not the final say or decision makers but, I know that they understand where we are coming from and hope some day we can pursuade the rite people to see the importance of the people stuck in the middle. Instead of taking away from them I think they need to focus on them now. Kiddie rides and huge coasters are plentiful, Thanks :). We could start a petition Coastermom LOL.
Diana I do relate very well . We really wanted to go to Hard Rock Park when it was open but everything was 48 inches . My son last year was too short . We did go this year to Freestyle park not the same but it was great that he could do almost every ride except one. We love Hershey for the same reason there are great flats there . It is amazing how GADV has lost so many great flat rides . Yet even more amazing is that TWO are sitting unopened while they have Cabanas there that NO ONE USES !! UGH . WE could go on and on about this but really will we ever get these flats back ?? Probally not .
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Are any of us going to stop going because their are few flats? listen flats are nice but we don't need them
It's all a matter of opinion. When I first got into the whole "coaster scene" all I cared about was riding coasters, getting my track record to the highest it could be and made sure I rode all the biggest baddest coasters. Now, after riding too many different coasters, its all about fun. I was in NJ for 2 weeks with basically NOTHING to do, with a Six Flags pass. Where did I go? Knoebels, Wildwood, out to eat, but not Great Adventure (which was only 30 minutes away as opposed to 4 hours to Knoebels and 1 hour to Wildwood). Even though it was free, I'd rather spend my time and efforts on quality park time while I'm on "vacation", and that's what I got. Now if I still lived there, I'd most likely end up going there to ride Nitro once or twice every now and then, but you wont see me going too far out of my way to get to this park. As I said before, it's a matter of personal preference and opinion. For you to say "we don't need flats" is a pretty high call. Who are you to determine what the park needs and doesn't need. You should have said "I don't think we need any more flats" or "wI feel we are a coaster park, and flats aren't needed". Just saying...
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Are any of us going to stop going because their are few flats? listen flats are nice but we don't need them
We need more flats! ???
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me23, once again, if you READ the thread before posting, you would see that we do have people on these very boards who are ENTHUSIAST of the park that cut back on their visits, or virtually eliminated their visits because of this very issue. If we have people who love the park enough to post on these boards that are complaining about that, and it has affected their visitation, you can bet money that there are MANY casual guests out there who feel the same, and behave the same.
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They should open up a section called "80's fair grounds" and have a gravitron, a zipper, a tilt a whirl, a scrambler, and a bouncy castle... and have ugly carneys working the rides. They should let the carneys smoke, and take tickets(that don't have value or meaning) just to make the carneys feel at home. I love the carney in the gravitron that sits in the middle and plays music so friggin load. HAHA
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Its this simple if you want flats go to a fair, you want coasters go to great adventure its that simple.
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RJ, nothing is getting through this guys 7 inch thick head. It's OK though, as I said, everyone has their own preference and opinion, it's just the opinions that have no facts to back them up that bother me.
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Same here. It's one thing to use your head and debate a different point of view, but to blatantly ignore what people are saying is ignorant. Especially when you're talking about the actions a business that is supposed to cater to WHOLE FAMILIES!
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I think someone just likes to argue.
This brings back memories of this thread (http://www.gadvoutpost.com/home.php/topic,3063.msg30811.html#msg30811).
SFGAdv needs flats...especially some swings by the big wheel!
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Swings, Antique Cars, Frisbee, Observation Tower, Drop Ride... Jolly Roger and a Top Spin that doesn't flip don't really cut it.
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EXACTLY! THATS WHAT WE NEED! :headbash:
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The Fantasy Forest used to be referred to as the Fair Grounds. There weren't any carneys though, but each flat was staffed with two ride employees! You're on to something with the zipper and a tilt-a-whirl; They'd be better rides than a klosed koaster.
They should open up a section called "80's fair grounds" and have a gravitron, a zipper, a tilt a whirl, a scrambler, and a bouncy castle... and have ugly carneys working the rides. They should let the carneys smoke, and take tickets(that don't have value or meaning) just to make the carneys feel at home. I love the carney in the gravitron that sits in the middle and plays music so friggin load. HAHA
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i think they should head towards a hersehy kinda style. there hardly isnt a spot in the park between ides that doesnt have a flat or some kind of ride. yea coasters are cool, but even me, and imonly 19, wants to ride more then coasters and have some flats to relax on
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klosed koaster...So subtle Dan! LOL
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Go to more amusement parks and you will realize why we need more.
Dude I went to Hershey 7 times this year every thing in Orlando and Six Flags Gadv is the best. See you guys are missing the point, Six Flags is a park that you go to ride killer roller coasters. Did you guys ever hear the saying "you cant please everyone"? So they please the most of them by giving them KICK ASS roller coasters.
Check please I'm done.
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Learn how to spell. Thanks.
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Thank you, Mr. Shapiro.
Attendance in 1996 = 3.6 million
Attendance in 2006 = 2.6 million
There were 6 coasters in 1996, 7 water rides and 18 flat and other rides
There were 12 coasters, 3 water rides and 14 flat and other rides in 2006; 8 of those other rides are no longer available or in use
It hardly seems worth it to invest in coasters
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You are right Dan but the removal of Chaos was more of a safety one with all the bizarre events that happened with them. But none the less, its still a significant difference of rides. Mind you that SIX stock peaked in 1996 at a whopping $50+. Its time to get back to basics and that is what Shapiro is doing. A key quote that sticks with me is in an interview last year with Shapiro when he said he would have no problem buying all these flat rides, however its the problem of advertising them.
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That's his problem, right there. He doesn't know the difference between short term gains vs long term investments! Gary at least understood that, in 1999. Short term new coaster spikes in attendance haven't paid off in the past 10 years, however.
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Could it also be the cost of maintaining the flats, such as if we got the amount of flats as in 1999?
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Not at all. The biggest problem with all of these flats is staffing them. We may start to see the tides turn in that regard though due to the crappy economy. For once lazy young Americans are looking for jobs.
Come to think of it, this year has got to have the fewest number of internationals that I can recall in recent memory.
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if i lived closer then an hour and a half away id be all over working there, even if its minumum wage pay or w/e i would love to work at a themepark. but hopefully the econemy works out, and gadv figures out the right things to do in the future to take gadv to the best it can be
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I'm going to work there next year. I'll be 14.
(spell check, grammar check, and school books are your friends)
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I hope they station you on Jolly Roger :)
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Oh please no. The remote control boat assistant is a much better job.
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How about the person that stands in the parking booths. ;D
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Toilet scrubber
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They should build a Mr. Six Dark Ride with all creepy mr. charcters inside.
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They should build a Mr. Six Dark Ride with all creepy mr. charcters inside.
Thats so random
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That actually really does creep me out lol. I'd love to see a buzz/mib style shooter at our park. They could go all out with the space we have. I just don't know what a good theme would be.
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Or they could do a western one by the log flume.
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I just went to Waldameer and really enjoyed steel dragon.. and I know its another coaster but it's like a flat in ways... Small footprint, spining motion, make you feel dizzy.
Not sure but I think it might have a fairly low height restriction as well.
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Thats exactly what we need.
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What we need is this (http://www.universalorlando.com/amusement-parks/islands-of-adventure/attractions/adventures-of-spiderman-ride.html) themed to The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Coaster themed to...something else, THIS (http://www.flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/giantfrisbee.html) by Granny's in the ready-to-go pad (or maybe THIS (http://www.dollywood.com/rides-attractions/ride-detail.aspx?AttractionID=570)). Replace Tango with the resurrection of this (http://greatadventurehistory.com/RodeoStampede.htm) Who doesn't love a good breakdance with a great theme, lol.
That's just a small part of the list of "what we need" that I could make.
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I second that ;-)
...with stipulation that the frisbee be like the one we had before. :)
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Yoooo that Timber Tower looks insane!
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There is a Timber Tower at nearby Marineland. From what I hear its nothing special, but It looks great.
I totally agree with the giant frisbie. MaxAir is the best flat i've been on I think. Other than scamblers, tilt-a-whirls, and gravatrons of course. haah
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If I read this correctly, were you actually complimenting Six Flags? :D
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Not Mark Shapiro...but what's left of the old Six Flags. ;)