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Great Adventure Boards => Great Adventure Chit Chat => Topic started by: VinnyFresh on April 04, 2009, 11:15:30 PM
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Alright... This will stir up the forums a little bit. LOL. Now i know that The Dark Knight was advertised as a family ride and I Have nothing against that! But Could a better ride have been built in place of Dark Knight? What do you think? I would love to know your feelings. Here are my personal feelings...
I think that six flags made alot of money in the 2008 season because of this ride. I mean their advertisements were everywhere, the movie was going to come out that summer, and six flags got evry one all hype about it through online updates and teasers. The Teasers made me want to ride it so bad it wasnt even funny. But I think that the ppl that were hype about this ride were disipointed in the end. The ride itself wasnt all that exciting which is okay because it is a family ride. But the theme elements while on the coaster were advertised to be amazing, meanwhile they were terrible. I enjoy watching the big screen before entering the gotham city transit. I think that this might come back to haunt six flags this year (2009).... we all know the chiller had to go, but would the idea to put a new steel coaster give six flags extra fans and money for years to come?? Such as Kingda Ka and El Toro are still doing???
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Well, I know I personally feel that the pre-show is a lot more entertaining than the ride itself. And I hate to say it but it almost seems like the ride was slapped up as a prefab Mouse coaster in a box so it was ready to cash on The Dark Knight movie hype last year.
I have a feeling we're going to see the effects on Medusa this season and wonder why the park didn't go that extra step and put those effects on TDK. You don't need a crazy coaster to keep things interesting as long as the effects/"story" are good, and I think TDK could have been thought out a bit more.
That said, it will be interesting to see what kind of crowds it draws this year. But also remember that it's a "family coaster", something we don't have too many of. I think one line of thought is that the enthusiasts, us, got two amazing coasters in recent years (Ka and Toro) and this one was for the rest of the family.
Although, I would have rather had a Pandemonium / Tony Hawk coaster instead! Still family, more fun! But that's my opinion.
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i agree 100%
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I thought the ride effects would be better. But as far as the ride, I knew it was going to be a mouse in a box so I wasn't disappointed. In fact, I think for a mouse it's a pretty good ride. The problem is everyone was expecting Chiller part two.
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i think that tdk is a waste.. they took out 2 good rides to put a wild mouse coaster in.. the chiller was a good ride, they should have left the corkscrews alone and just replace all the linear induction motors.. also they got rid of movietown water effect.. y?? i mean the best part was standing on the bridge waiting to get soaked but not anymore.. they could have put the dark knight somewhere else in the park but hey what can i say..
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Chiller's footprint is intact. It was removed because it was a lemon for 10 years. Was it a good ride, yes! But how often did it run? It just wasn't worth it anymore.
Dark Knight is exactly what the park said it would be...until they broke stride and used the "thrill" word. It's a great family ride, and by far the best Wild Mouse coaster I have ever ridden, with the most comfortable cars I ever experienced. This isn't counting the building, or anything in it. The stated goal was for it to match Space Mountain in terms of theming and ride experience. I would say that the goal was met. Keep in mind I worked Space Mountain, love Space Mountain, and miss it a lot. I'm not just saying that to say it. It does it's job well, and I enjoy it for what it is. Is it my favorite? No. But I'd rather have Dark Knight than Skull Mountain to be honest.
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i think that tdk is a waste.. they took out 2 good rides to put a wild mouse coaster in.. the chiller was a good ride, they should have left the corkscrews alone and just replace all the linear induction motors.. also they got rid of movietown water effect.. y?? i mean the best part was standing on the bridge waiting to get soaked but not anymore.. they could have put the dark knight somewhere else in the park but hey what can i say..
It was incredibly and unreasonably expensive to replace the Linear Induction Motors, and I'm almost positive that was another big influence in the final decision to axe it.
Did you ever ride it with just the lap bars while it still had the inline's on it? It gave you pretty good whiplash.
I have to agree with not having a decent soak ride in the park, but at the same time, Water Effect was a 30 second ride that was not reliable as well.
Reggie, I kind of like skull mountain. I think it's probably more interesting of a ride than TDK.
Has anyone ever been on the Exterminator at Kennywood? It is a spinning wild mouse with some great theming, and it is awesome.
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If we had a ride like Exterminator I would be so happy.
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If TDK spun, I would have 0 problems with it.
Also, I don't dislike Skull Mountain either (except for that wonky front-row ride). But I only truly enjoy the first drop on that ride, and only in the back row.
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Whoops! Meant to say back row!
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Front row on Church, Really ? I always run to the back. Looks like I'll wait for front row next time.
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I like my way of riding Skully best. ;)
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Re-build Chiller...
Or better yet send it over to Europe!
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I fixed my last post Bubba. Front row is EVIL! The ride was simply all wrong. It needs a shorter train.
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I think an inverted impulse coaster would be nice, like Wicked Twister or VooDoo ;D. But then again great adventure does need a good tower drop ride R.I.P freefall (even though i never got to ride you!)
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This park does not do well with launched coasters. Hopefully the third time is the charm with learning this lesson. Had the park kept some flat rides and passed on Kingda Ka, allot more rides would be available on windy days, like Opening Day. The park never built a 4D, ball coaster or Dive coaster and not building Kingda Ka would have been a case of "what the GP never rode won't hurt them."
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I like The Dark Knight coaster. It's a nice way to escape the heat, just like the ride it replaced, Movie Town Water Effect. The gun effect is a bit lame for my taste. The second half of the ride seems to be missing a storyline, or anything. It could use more background scenery and better effects, but the layout is fun and it's something to do. Perhaps someday another owner will take it to another level.
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ESCAPE THE HEAT WTF before you get on it you have to wait on a 3 hour line with the sun while every walks out giving it thumbs down on you the preshow was cool then you wait on other line but im ok with that cause you have to have some way to get people on the ride and the senarys cool and its air condition you get on the ride and this is every thing that happens hahaha jhjfhgbnjfdkbueyrgtrf hahaha hgkjhgiuesrdgfuyerger hahaha jvhjfhgurgherv hahaha then you get off and give it thumps down
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What is a "jurgenfurger", or whatever you're typing between "haha". Also, the queue is shaded to alleviate some of the heat. I'm not saying it's cool, but cooler than the midways are.
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"Gdeydfcye" stands for the clutter of words and how you can't understand anything idk what it is but, El Toro feels a lot cooler then TDK (both shaded). Ooooo i know 'cept Six Flags wants to make a few bucks with commercials on monitors which you have to listen to for 2 hours. Commercials suck at home, and they're even worse in the heat. It might be great for kids, but for me this ride can rot for all I care
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Please use proper punctuation, capitalization, and sentence structure. It makes the post much easier to comprehend.
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I think they wanted a family ride because not a lot of kids were going into that part of the park ^-^
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Because The Dark Knight was a really good family movie.
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It was a win/win situation. A certain chunk of people only come to GA for (new) coasters and with the removal of 4 great rides and the closure of 3 other rides, the park was in need of a new family ride.
The line lasts no longer than 20 minutes on an average day, 45 minutes when full and took only an hour with a breakdown on my visits. The shading cools the line down enough for me.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
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learn to spell its real not rel and i never said it was a family moviequote author=me23
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Me, are you being sarcastic? Even though I like the ride as far as it doing the job it was designed to do, as well as being an amazing Wild Mouse period, I think the major problem the coaster had, which caused the reception issues, was it's theme.
The Dark Knight was not a family movie. It was a very dark, very involved superhero movie that was definitely not for children. Besides the violence, the plots and the deep dive into the psychology of the ride really didn't cater to children. Because of the movie, people were expecting a ride that was just as "thrill" as the movie. That turned out to be a big problem, seeing as guests were walking around the park with "No Dark Knight" T-shirts on.
Nitrorox: Before calling someone else on their spelling, you may want to say hello to your shift key. ;)
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Hi shift key haha(Not sarcastic)
Me, are you being sarcastic? Even though I like the ride as far as it doing the job it was designed to do, as well as being an amazing Wild Mouse period, I think the major problem the coaster had, which caused the reception issues, was it's theme.
The Dark Knight was not a family movie. It was a very dark, very involved superhero movie that was definitely not for children. Besides the violence, the plots and the deep dive into the psychology of the ride really didn't cater to children. Because of the movie, people were expecting a ride that was just as "thrill" as the movie. That turned out to be a big problem, seeing as guests were walking around the park with "No Dark Knight" T-shirts on.
Nitrorox: Before calling someone else on their spelling, you may want to say hello to your shift key. ;)
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Ok now
y why are you guys all in love the dark night? Wild mouses are great an at the boardwalk. If I wanted to go on the Wild mouse I would of went to see side Seaside. Are you guys kidding me? This ride was hype up like kingda ka an and had the delivery of tango.
Honestly, how hard is it to use proper grammar and spelling? We have a spell checker in our posts so please use them. We have asked you many times already.
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Dude, lose the attitude. We are all FANS of the park. None of us are here to bash anything.
Yes, the park may have made a mistake with TDK in the opinions of many uninformed "fans" like yourself, but you know what, the park made a great deal of revenue from a ride that was rather inexpensive to build.
Be happy the park is adding new rides and making money, and if you want to nit-pick everything, I will gladly give you the link to another website where people love doing that.
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Me, I guess that is because we all followed the construction of the ride pretty closely here, so we knew from the jump that it would be a wild mouse. The park made it as clear as possible it was a family ride...until the end. They couldn't stay away from the "thrill" word, and even went as far as to say "If you like Nitro and El Toro (at least I believe those were the two rides cited), you'll like this ride" and, "You know how Time Warner does movies, and you know how we do coasters". Big Mistake. If you only caught that, and the summer ads, then you were pretty set up for disappointment.
But, even the different perspectives are no reason to get so upset. People will always have different positions on everything, that's what makes the boards fun. I don't want to post on a forum where every single person thinks that El Toro is their favorite coaster. I like the Kingda Ka fans having their opinions, and the Nitro fans with theirs, and the Chiller fans still crying. It makes these forums, and life, much more interesting.
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After reading this thread I would like to Thank VinnyFresh and Welcome you to the boards. me23, your passion about this subject is really great!
Now wait for it.... But, Like most members, I just wish you took the time to preview your post before actually posting it. Again, this goes for all the new members as well, please take the time to preview and spellcheck your post before actually hitting the post button.
Now everyone , please keep posting! And as R.J said " It makes these forums, and life, much more interesting.
Oh, on topic .. TDK is still one the better Mouse Coaster I've been on ;) Now only if they could of added some of those effects from Pirates Hide away. :P
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What effects Bubba? The nut crushing lap bars and the "water spot"?
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You must of rode it early in the season, It's so amazing now !
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Chuck and I rode it like the first week it opened...
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Clint, it got a splashdown if you haven't been on it since.
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i would applaud this coaster :golfclap: because it has great special affects (unlike skull mountain) and probably the best wild mouse
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Loving this thread guys :) Please do try to use proper grammar though. I guess it's the parent in me but it depresses me when I see what texting and IM has done to today's youth.
Anyway, great discussion.
I'll personally mention that on paper, Dark Knight had the making of a great all around attraction. Marketing was clearly where things went wrong. In fact, as much as I like the pre-show (it may be the best part of the ride), it isn't even appropriate for children. So here we are with an awesome themed pre-show and a coaster that my 6 year old can ride but I won't take him on it because he'd have nightmares for weeks after seeing that pre-show.
Great effort but it feels to me like they cut the budget at the end which explains the lack of, well, anything for the last half of the ride. And they missed the mark with the demographics as well. But please don't fault Great Adventure for these mis-steps but rather corporate as they obviously controlled these decisions.
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After reading this thread I would like to Thank VinnyFresh and Welcome you to the boards. me23, your passion about this subject is really great!
Now wait for it.... But, Like most members, I just wish you took the time to preview your post before actually posting it. Again, this goes for all the new members as well, please take the time to preview and spellcheck your post before actually hitting the post button.
Now everyone , please keep posting! And as R.J said " It makes these forums, and life, much more interesting.
Oh, on topic .. TDK is still one the better Mouse Coaster I've been on ;) Now only if they could of added some of those effects from Pirates Hide away. :P
Thank you! I think, even after following the whole construction update on the ride, I still expected something like Pirates Hide away or The Mummy. But I do Agree, TDK is one of the better Mouse Coasters.
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Listen, I'm saying that they should have used a wild mouse they should of put in an big steel and named that jokers fury and named the big steel one the dark night besides steel coasters are better story tellers
i mean named the wild mouse jokers fury sorry
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Please don't double post. If you need to make a correction to your post, please use the edit button. :)
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Proof reading will cause less headaches to who ever reads your posts.... I tired fixing this post, but it's almost useless as none of it makes sense.
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I think the whole problem that people have with the dark knight is that they are expecting a lot more from it than it really is. When I was waiting on the line on a crowded day for it, people were coming out of the ride were saying 'don't waste your time' to everyone in the queue. They don't know its a wild mouse and are expecting it to be something to the level of nitro.
The biggest problem I have with the Dark Knight is that I get blinded by that flash every time. ^-^
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I would also like to add in that the light coming in from the door as you exit the ride also kills it as being a "dark" ride.
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I'll personally mention that on paper, Dark Knight had the making of a great all around attraction. Marketing was clearly where things went wrong. In fact, as much as I like the pre-show (it may be the best part of the ride), it isn't even appropriate for children. So here we are with an awesome themed pre-show and a coaster that my 6 year old can ride but I won't take him on it because he'd have nightmares for weeks after seeing that pre-show.
Wade, I never even considered that. I'll add that as another reason why I think the ride hit the mark as far as thematics and ride intensity, but missed with the actual theme.
It really sucks when you have to carefully choose your words to describe it to the guests, and on park tours to new Team Members.
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I would also like to add in that the light coming in from the door as you exit the ride also kills it as being a "dark" ride.
Didn't they add a tarp over the exit inside the building sometime during last season just for that reason? I remember the ride being a lot darker when I rode it near the end of the season.
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They probably put a tarp up so that you can't see everyone giving it thumbs down.
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^ We should give you the thumbs down for still not using the spell checker. I beg you to try!
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I will second Wade's comments about the ride being for kids but having a psychotic preshow. Don't you all remember Angel telling us that the first version of the show was even worse than that?
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Oh I wanna see the first version now!
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yeah what is the first version???
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NOTHING WILL EVER MAKE THIS COASTER BETTER
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A dark ride if done right can turn out really well. Look at Mummy in Universal Orlando for example. Its amazing.
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ya the mummy is in more then one room
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Actually, it's not. It's all in the same giant building.
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Angel said the first cut of the pre-shows ending was much more frightening than the current one with the melting faces. After she viewed it they told her "Don't worry we aren't done editing it yet!"
Anyone know what movie those scenes were taken from?
Maybe bring back the unedited version for Fright Fest!
I suppose the pre-show is why they say limit the ride to '42" w/adult'.
They really should have an option to skip the pre-show if you have kids.
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Good idea on the bypass ken. Although I suspect that might be a pain to manage for them.
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Just tell them you are child swapping and go to the exit ramp ;)
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Angel said the first cut of the pre-shows ending was much more frightening than the current one with the melting faces. After she viewed it they told her "Don't worry we aren't done editing it yet!"
Anyone know what movie those scenes were taken from?
Maybe bring back the unedited version for Fright Fest!
I suppose the pre-show is why they say limit the ride to '42" w/adult'.
They really should have an option to skip the pre-show if you have kids.
Sometimes they just keep it open and its like a walk through, atleast one time when I went.
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Speaking of editing shows, did they ever really edit Fly Me To The Moon? I haven't attempted to sit through it again to see.
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Dark Knight has great graphics!!!!
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OK it has good graphics, amazing scenery, and awesome special effects, but the chiller should still be there
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OK it has good graphics, amazing scenery, and awesome special effects, but the chiller should still be there
As Much as we all would love that, its almost to good to be true. It was just running up a huge bill for the park, and half the time it didn't even work. I'm Sorry to say it but the ride started to become a nuisance. R.I.P. Chiller
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As Bono from U2 would say "lemon''
But I do give the park a lot of credit for trying to save this ride.
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At least there are still the Freeze rides but they are just a lil far from here. :(
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Clint, go on Freeze it's awesome!
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To be completely honest, something along the lines of Spiderman at IoA would fit just as well
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Blurry images pointing objects at you while being spun aimlessly? :D
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I thought spiderman was awesome! I like when your falling from the the building, and you get caught in the web. you're Right RobbW.
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a spider man kind of ride whould be awsome with a dark night theme
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^ last warning, please use the spell checker and use proper grammar.
Thank you Clint.
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To be completely honest, something along the lines of Spiderman at IoA would fit just as well
That would cost more than Ka. I don't see Six Flags affording one of those ever. But it would certainly be the best ride in the park if did come to fruition.
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I'll simply be happy with a coaster that emulates the experience of the Incredible Hulk or Dueling Dragons @ IoA. Hopefully Bizarro captures some of that magic.
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I'm not excepting much from Bizarro since the dark night was such a bust
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I think a lot of people will end up surprised by Bizzaro - in a positive way. With that said, we will all have to wait and see.
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If it's anything like X2's music and flames it's going to be awesome! Old Medusa kicked ass as well, Not like they changed the track. Either way, I'm just excited to ride it again.
I'm not excepting much from Bizarro since the dark night was such a bust
That's how you should feel about any new ride, Don't except much going in. This way you won't be disappointed Debbie Downer.
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If they match up to X2 or even go beyond that, then the hype is gonna be well worth it.
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Im happy she got painted, they can add nothing more and I will have just as big of a grin
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hey weren`t we saying the same ting about the dark night last year
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no , not at all ! We were talking about a mouse in a box. Not a B&M.
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I only ride TDK if no one in my group wants to go on anything thrilling.
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after comming up finnaly on the 4th and riding it, i wasnt impressed. i feel the preshow was better then the ride. but its not a bad ride. 6flags could have put in somethng better in my mind
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That is correct. But I still think its relaxing. They could make it more interesting by filming a 2nd pre-show and swithcing off. Even if its slightly different I'd still be impresed.