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Great Adventure Boards => Great Adventure Chit Chat => Topic started by: WadeJ on January 11, 2006, 11:50:27 AM
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This was the parks official response to the re-entry questions. Also, the info that was posted on the official Six Flags website was incorrect and has since been removed.
At Six Flags Great Adventure, Theme/Safari combination tickets, 3-Park tickets, Theme/Safari season passes and 3-Park season passes do allow for same-day exiting and re-entry.
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We will not allow re-entry with single-park tickets (i.e. Theme Park only, Safari only, or Harbor only) or Hurricane Harbor-only season passes. Restricting re-entry is a standard practice for most entertainment venues, including concerts and sporting events. As a guest at our parks, you can attest that they are well attended. By allowing guests to re-enter the park on a same-day visit, we limit the number of guests that may visit on any single day during the season. We have become accustomed to saving space and we simply can't do that anymore. Our parks are near capacity in the heat of summer and we have to manage that demand. We must manage capacity for the guests that are at our front gate and want to come in and enjoy the park * not for those who might come back.
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Like any other business, we continually evaluate our policies and practices. Adjusting our re-entry policy is simply a business decision that is in keeping with many venues in the entertainment industry, such as sporting events and concerts.
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My opinion, I agree with it... Thats all I'm going to say about it for right now.
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Now that all the specifics are spelled out it makes sense to me. Maybe im just relieved that I'll be able to come back in because I have a SP but I'm not nearly as worried as I was.
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So to clarify, with Season Pass for Great Adventure you can use the re- entry gate? But if you dont have one you cant?
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Thats what it seems like Chuck.
I don't think I agree with this idea of prohibiting re-entry to those with single day tickets. An amusment park is unlike many other entertainment venues in that a sporting event or concert is only several hours whereas an amusment park is an all day form of entertainment where there are valid reasons for having to leave and re-enter, such as forgetting something in your car, specifically things like medicine which cannot be bought in the park. But even if you just realized you forgot something as simple as your camera in your car after entering, that could ruin your experience if you could not go get it, or if you had to repay for admission if you decided to go and get it.
The idea to prohibit re-entry so others wanting to get in may be a valid reason, but that usually is not the case, and the policy should only be put into place if the park is at full capcity. And also if capacity is the reason why does it not apply to season passholders, they aren't excluded from capacity. It sounds like faulty logic to me.
There are better ways to handle this as far as I'm concerned. If someone knows they're coming back they would get a handstamp, and won't if they aren't. Since there is only one turnstile for exiting and rentering with a handstamp this number could easily be kept track of. I'm sure theres also other ways to handle the issue of re-entry and capicity but that all I can think of for now.
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Something just dawned on me. In order for this logic to work, all 3 parks must be seperate tickets or be sold as combo passes to allow for the re-entry to occur.
In the past couple of years, the safari was free (included with theme park admission). It seems as though it no longer is. At least not with the way its listed:
Buy Online & Save $21 $38.99
PRICING AT PARK
Theme Park $59.99
Theme Park Jr. (under 54") $29.99
3 & Under Free
Wild Safari $18.99
Theme Park after 5 p.m. thru 9/24/06 $25.00
VIP Tour - Self-guided $150.00
VIP Tour - Guided $200.00
3-Park Tickets
Theme/Safari/Hurricane Harbor
3-Park Regular $99.99
3-Park Jr. $48.99
Bounce Back thru 10/9/06 $15.00
Parking $10.00
Only the 3 park tickets mention theme/safari now. I think more changes might be coming to the ticket structure.
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Exactly! It appears that the "Free Safari" promotion has come to an end and we are back to the Theme Park Only Tickets with a Safari Option.
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I agree with Twisted rails on this one. People don't just leave the park and re-enter to have lunch, they go to their cars if something is forgotten. I personally leave my camera in the car so I can do some riding then go grab the camera. My friends bring a change of clothes in their cars so they can ride Congo and MTWE. Now I understand this policy doesn't affect me but I disagree with this policy. Amusement parks aren't sporting events or concerts that last 3-4 hours where no re-entry is understandable. I'll live with it and like I said it doesn't affect me but I think its wrong. On a side note, the park may have to move those lockers outside the park or atleast warn guest that if you use them, you won't be able to get to them until you leave for good. Oh well, right? I'm a happy season pass holder regardless.
Pete
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On a side note, the park may have to move those lockers outside the park or atleast warn guest that if you use them, you won't be able to get to them until you leave for good. Oh well, right? I'm a happy season pass holder regardless.
Pete
Maybe those rumors of the entrance gates moving forward is finally going to happen. That would put those lockers inside the park :D .
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I was thinking about those lockers too! It would be totally useless to use them now since you cant go back and forth.
I think they decided that they lose too much money to people who go buy food elsewhere.
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I agree with twistedrails but here is my idea of how to improve on the no re-entry policy. Most people leave the park to go get something to eat from Wawa or places like those right? So if we ban re-entry at the parking booths somehow, you could still go to your car and not break the policy.
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I'm realy not sure how I feel about this. It's better than what we thought that they were pulling off, but I still see a lot of negatives in this plan of theirs.
A concert or game is an event. It might be the highlight of the day, but it is not the day. For a concert or game that's 3-4 hours long, it's perfectly fine to have that kind of a restriction. If you don't want to eat in the stadium, you tailgate before the event and walk in full, or at least satisfied. You might grab an extra bite while inside, but you did your primary eating on your terms. You're not walking around riding things and winning prizes. You're standing or sitting in a seat watching a performance of some sort. You don't have to worry about trying to figure out what to do with that camera, or walking around with an oversized stuffed tiger. If they were there the whole day, or walking around, they may want to put it in a car.
An amusement park on the other hand, for most people, is the day. Their whole day is centered around their visit and the day is cleared for it. They are going to have prizes that are too large for a locker, cameras they don't want to take on rides, but want in the park, want to have the option of eating their own food and taking a break from the park for half an hour or so. People are used to being able to do this at any amusement park they go to, so for Great Adventure to up and change like that is going to outrage people. Someone mentioned somewhere how they could see you re-paying for parking and I like that idea. But no re-entry just sounds like a bad plan.
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They are right in saying that most concerts, etc don't allow re-entry ... but I can't think of any theme parks that restrict re-entry. Of course this won't effect most of us since we have SP's.
I wonder if all SF parks will follow suit.
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I'm just wondering how they are planning on keeping track of people who have a SP/3 park ticket instead of just a 1 park. Will they ask you for your SP when your getting your hand stamped?
Just another bad idea from Snyder.
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They are right in saying that most concerts, etc don't allow re-entry ... but I can't think of any theme parks that restrict re-entry. Of course this won't effect most of us since we have SP's.
I wonder if all SF parks will follow suit.
I am quite sure they will have to tweak this according to each individual park. I somehow doubt we are seeing the finished policy. I think this is just a rough idea until the season begins.
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I'm just wondering how they are planning on keeping track of people who have a SP/3 park ticket instead of just a 1 park. Will they ask you for your SP when your getting your hand stamped?
Just another bad idea from Snyder.
Thats exactly what I am thinking?
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I'm just wondering how they are planning on keeping track of people who have a SP/3 park ticket instead of just a 1 park. Will they ask you for your SP when your getting your hand stamped?
Just another bad idea from Snyder.
Don't be so sure this is a totally bad idea yet.. Let's see how they handle the reactions so far. I don't think we have the entire picture yet and there are still ALOT of things we aren't clear on. For myself, It won't harm me because I buy a season pass. Even if I didn't, I go to the park carrying as little as possible and would rather go to a locker then walk all the way back to my car anyway. :?
Even when my kids were babies I packed a huge diaper bag and avoided having to walk back to the car all together. Now, I am pretty sure that in special cases like Disabilities, Medications, emergency baby needs, I am willing to bet they will have some sort of pass to accomodate people with special needs. Like I said, we aren't seeing the entire picture and I am sure they have alot to discuss as of yet.
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I agree with twistedrails on this one also. While although I can usually go the whole day with out leaving, there are some people that need to change. Most likely they looked at the park food sales, noticed them a little low, so they make you eat there. I don't like this idea one bit.
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I agree with twisted. Sometimes people need to go back to their cars for things. What if you left extra money in the car, and then you find out you can't go and get it? I don't like this one bit, and I think it is unfair to the people to not let them back to their own property.
-KKR05
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Di has a point. This is far from being finished, and we still have a good 3 months ahead of us in the off season.
I would kind of be ticked off though if I went to a park that was not my home park that I did not have a season pass to (Such as Holiday World) and they instituted such a policy. What if I packed a lunch, or wanted to leave the park for just an hour or so to get away from the hustle and bustle (although HW isn't a good example with hustle and bustle :lol:). It would kind of dissappoint me and I might even think twice about going to that park if there wasn;t a spectacular reason to go there (Voyage ;) )
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Ok I agree with everyone that has posted so far. Both in the fact that this might only be a rough draft of what they expect to institute for the season and that its ridiculous if this is what is going to happen. People are going to get really mad when they realize they can't get back into the park after they had left just to grab something from the park. There will be a lot of yelling going on and I see it coming if this is the rule they put in at the beginning of the season.
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Di has a point. This is far from being finished, and we still have a good 3 months ahead of us in the off season.
Actually we will hit the 1/2 way point in the off season this Sunday the 15th :lol: More like 2 1/2 months to go. A half of month sounds like a little , but for one having coaster withdrawls thats alot :wink: Hopefully ET will be ready , but thats going to be a tall order. It seems a whole lot needs to be done in a short time.
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Maybe they will get an explaination at the gate, ticket window, or something on the ticket that says no-reentry.
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They were down right stupid to let the word get out before they had the policy fully developed and thought through. That they had to send an email clarification shows the planning was lacking.
Bet they learned their lesson on this one. Folks watch these websites even when the park is closed for the season.
For me the disturbing part of all of it is that it exposes the menntallity of the new management. Squeeze the money out of them even if you have to make them captive to do it. Red Zone did this to the Redskin fans and they will be doing it to Six Flags patrons too. This will be good for the stockholders at least in the short run, but not so hot for loyal patrons.
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My problem, assuming this comes to SFMM, is that I refuse to eat there. We ALWAYS eat off-site.
Again, this doesn't seem to be effecting passholders, as of now, but if it does then I can forsee more riots in their immediate future.
IMO, this is contrary to everything the new SF has said. More family friendly, friendlier, nice place to visit, etc, etc, etc.
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Ok I have to say that this is a nightmare . First off many ,many people leave the park to eat and do not eat in the park or have SP . Second It better be posted in LARGE NEON lights for some to see :shock: . Then let me tell you this is not going to be good for anyone that is not a SP holder . Ball Games concerts etc are not all day events as amusement parks are . If and when attendance becomes so overwhelming they must close the park (AKA DISNEY during spring and winter breaks) then do this but for everyday park operations i don't think it is a wise move. I also don't know of anyother park that has to keep you hostage to get you to spend time or money there. :wink:
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So does anyone ever remember a crowded day that they denied folks access at the gate? I have been there many times with some massive crowds and they were still admitting folks all day long.
This policy of we can't "hold a place for those that might come back and deny another paying customer access because of this seems to be a red herring to me.
I am a relative newcomer to SFGADV, do any vets remember a lock out?
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I agree wholeheartedly with you depotrat, they still were letting in plenty of people during Frightfest even though the park couldn't handle the crowds. Who knows, maybe this will actually be enforced now, although I would severely doubt they'd let anyone get away when they could have their money. They also might need a few more food places, as Character Cafe and Granny's usually get mobbed at lunchtime, and even at BOTW I had to wait about 30 minutes once this year. There would probably be a lot more people eating in if this is enforced.
The only thing I don't understand is why pass holders are exempt. Is it just to appease us so we don't lead a revolt against it? Since most money made off of us is food and games, wouldn't they want us trapped too?
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I really think everybody needs to completely erase memories of the previous regime and the way in which Six Flags was managed. This is a entirely different management style.
With that said, I'm withholding judgement until the full details are released. I agree with depotrat in that the info should not have been prematurely released like this. So far, that is the only thing I feel we have a right to be upset about. Otherwise, everything is still speculation.
Have faith. Something tells me they are working this out and that this was all they were able to tell us right now.
One has to wonder if the website info was REALLY supposed to be posted that soon or if Six Flags really felt that nobody would notice because as far as I'm concerned, that was just plain DUMB! We would all still be sitting here talking about this like it was a rumor if that didn't happen.
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So , we came up with with a couple of solutions and maybe they will to.
I think it's safe to say, That we are all season pass holders. If that's the case we shouldn't have any thing to worry about. Good luck Red Zone.
The one Idea I did like was to move the gates back. Have it set up like SFAW. One gate for bag check, and another gate for entrance to the park.
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^ That is how SFMM has theirs set up too ... but honestly, I thought SFGADV system worked better. Having bag check and entry in the same spot. Then again, it wasn't busy when we went in so that could be something.
The way Disneyland works it is they will close the ticket booths to new ticket sales when the park becomes full. This is only done until the crowd level inside the park is managable and this only happens 'maybe' 10 - 15 times a year. This year maybe a little more with the 50th.
I have no problem with that policy. But denying re-entry on a daily basis, whether the park is full or not ... bad idea.
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It's going to be interesting to see just how this all pans out. I wouldn't be suprised if it's all been blown way out of proportion and the GP takes it way better then the enthusiast's. I know I just opened myself up for back lashing but, I can't see season pass holders being that compassionate for one day ticket buyers. When I enter the gate with my season pass the LAST thing on my mind is going to be how many day trippers are tearing down the guest relations building because they can't go back to their cars to eat or, take a nap.
I am almost positive there will be a plan for those with special needs and, emergencies. I doubt SF is interested in hiring more lawyers to handle lawsuites because, someone couldn't get a special pass to go back to their car for an emergency. As I have said, we have not seen the complete Policy and, unless we have no season pass and need to go back to our cars for an emergency, It's going to take someone else's experience with it just to see how many exceptions there are going to be. You KNOW they are going to have to bend for certain circumstances.
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No i dont think or care much about the GP either.. however. I HATE seeing the park workers get heckled because of something like this. I feel as though this year is going to be bad for the poor employees who work the main gates. Until its common knowledge for everyone, this might be bad.
they MUST start it everywhere. Commercials.. tickets in big RED ink not some tiny little sentence. It needs to be spread.
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NOW, Six Flags New England has been thrown into the mix.
http://www.sixflags.com/parks/newengland/ParkInfo/parkpolicies.html
RE-ENTRY
Same day re-entry is not allowed
They are saying this is for EVERYBODY!!!
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No i dont think or care much about the GP either.. however. I HATE seeing the park workers get heckled because of something like this. I feel as though this year is going to be bad for the poor employees who work the main gates. Until its common knowledge for everyone, this might be bad.
they MUST start it everywhere. Commercials.. tickets in big RED ink not some tiny little sentence. It needs to be spread.
I will absolutely feel bad for the people working the gates and Guest relations. But, again, do we even know for sure that thousands of theme park only day admissions ticket holders have a desire to go back to their cars once or, multiple times a day? Most of my local friends go to the park to experience the WHOLE park which means dinner at Granny's, snacks at a snack stand and a rest by taking in a show. The articles are all saying they are going to make things so visitors have NO reason to even want to go to their cars. In emergency cases I can't stress enough that the park will most likely give special passes for dire situations.
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Oh I can see many ,many problems if this is for everyone first off people with children who need just general stuff out of the cars that is a big problem also as a season pass holder that comes from the NYC area i need to eat out of the park sometimes . It is very expensive to feed a family of 5 there . Wawa is our usual stop for food then a drive through the safari. What about that too what about the people who leave the amusement park and go to the safari ? no hand stamp or will we be hostage to the tour buses ? This whole idea is very ,very poorly planned the way it sounds right now maybe it just needs to be explained better . I do feel for the GP sometimes as when I go to other parks and i am the GP nobody wants to be held hostage in amusement park. Even in the best of cases (Disney) i don't stay in the park all day never mind in our park where lets just say there are many days where it is undesirable to stay all day.
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what about the people who leave the amusement park and go to the safari ? no handstamp or will we be hostage to the tour buses ?
At Six Flags Great Adventure, Theme/Safari combination tickets, 3-Park tickets, Theme/Safari season passes and 3-Park season passes do allow for same-day exiting and re-entry.
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So really it is the GP that is getting held hostage and that is only the people who come for the day and buy a one day pass . Which BTW is a lot of people I personally don't like the idea even if it doesn't affect me directly but it will affect me when i have people come for the bring a friend day if we still have those and just for people who come to visit for the day. Not rally a Friendly more accomedation atosphere now is it ?
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this tells me that they are trying to cut down on the one day goers. If your going for day trips.. make more than one.. and buy a Season Pass.
There. That solves everything.
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And more than one trip = more money spent in the park (food, games, etc).
So if you go for one day, you are forced to pay for the food in the park. If you get a SP, you can leave and come back, but now you are paying more for the SP. Get it? Either way the park gets more money.
I'm not saying I agree, but I understand...
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well, look to the future. More money gets us better things!! Your extra $20 bucks spent on food could buy a new character suit.
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Or pay salary and have all the rides open!
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I see your point that maybe all the rides will be open (and maybe I will hit lotto saturday too) :wink: but I can say there are many ,many day trippers in the area for this perticular park. Too many large cities in the area and not too many people wanting to spend the $2.45 a gallon of gas plus admission to get "locked" into paying for food there too. Hopefully the track record of getting rides up and running and lines to move faster will keep people from just walking out like many do and then they won't return either way . All i am saying is it is a craps shoot that could cost them big time in complaints and employees being harrased at the guest relations booths and at the front gates. I also hope it is posted in the largest print they have before people pay to park and get to the front gates and don't really want to be stuck there all day with no way to leave for food.
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If you're visiting the park as a day tripper, since there are so many shows and rides it requires a FULL day to see and do everything in the park. Why would you waste time leaving the park to go out to the car and get food or anything else? Isn't the time you save by NOT leaving the park worth the couple of extra dollars the parks food or a locker would cost?
Whenever I take a day trip to a park, I buy food in the park and rent a locker just for that reason...my time is more valuable than walking to the car, driving down the road, etc, etc.
For anyone who complains the food or lockers are too expensive, maybe you need to look at your priorities. If you can't afford it, there are several alternatives in the area (Seaside, Wildwood, Coney Island, Ocean City) where you not only have the ability to come and go as you please, but you don't even have to pay admission. When you go to a Theme park the idea is you are getting AWAY from everyday (cars, fast food, traffic, etc.).
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Or pay salary and have all the rides open!
That would be amazing if money was used towards that. I think that would increase the overall atmosphere of the park as a whole.
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http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2006/commentary06011302.htm
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I was just thinking that Six Flags was thinking, now how many people are going to take off of work to go to the park, and then turn around at the gate because there is no reenrty...it's really a no brainer. People will not turn away, and once their in, they will realize that they have to stay in, and will probably just pay for the extra food and what not. The GP might think of it as no big deal, and just blow it off, and realize, "Hey, if I don't eat here I won't get the whole expierince.
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Here is something I don't understand...
How much is your time worth? From the time it takes to walk ALL THE WAY to your car, leave the parking lot, go to Burger King, wait in line, eat, drive back, park, and re-enter, you could have had less stress and more time in the park.
All of that work to save $2.00 on a cheeseburger? :? I don't get it. Your car probably burned nearly that much money in gas.
Even if you don't leave you still just burned 1 hour+ just to leave the park and re-enter. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't let us be able to leave. I'm just stating that I don't really buy into these excuses.
A real reason would be medical, stuff for kids, something you forgot, etc. and I have no doubt that they plan to work that out.
For me, this would be much easier to swallow if they offered more places to sit down and eat along with better food prices. Maybe we'll be seeing some changes here as well?
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^^ People won't notice the first time. But if they have a problem with re-entry at a park they will remember that the next time they are deciding what to do on a vacation, or weekend.
And it's worth the time for me because I don't usually like to get sick off gross SF food while I'm on vacation. ;)
I think if SF (I'm referring mainly to SFMM since that's the park I visit most) offered better food items I would eat there.
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From About.com - http://themeparks.about.com/b/a/235383.htm
From Arthur Levine,
Your Guide to Theme Parks.
January 13, 2006
When Six Flags Denies Reentry, Will Some Guests Enter at All?
Let's imagine it's a beautiful summer day later this year. You're on vacation and you've decided to visit a "more family-friendly" Six Flags park. You load up the mini-van and head to the park early in the day to beat the crowds. In the afternoon, you decide to escape the crunch of people in the park and go back to your hotel for some relaxing down time at the pool followed by dinner at a nearby restaurant. Your plan is to return in the evening for some more coasters and fun. As you exit Six Flags, however, there's a prominent sign warning you that once you leave the park, you will not be readmitted--unless you're willing to cough up another $60 per person. You think there's NO WAY the sign could be for real. Way. In one of the first official moves by the chain's new regime, all Six Flags parks will have a no same-day reentry policy this season. Coming from the folks who have been promising to turn Six Flags around by offering a more positive guest experience, this seems like a counterintuitive--oh heck, let's just call it harebrained--idea.
When news about the no same-day reentry policy began circulating around the Web a few days ago, most people (including me) shrugged it off as a foolish rumor. Wendy Goldberg, Six Flags' new senior VP of communications, says it's no joke, however. If you leave any of the parks this year, don't expect to return that day. And don't let the exit gate hit you in the rear end on the way out.
So what's behind this bizarre move? According to the chain's research, Goldberg says that many guests who ask for hand stamps that would allow them to reenter later in the day never actually return. If Six Flags holds a place for them and the park is near capacity, it might prevent new patrons from entering. And that wouldn't be a positive guest experience, would it?
First of all, theme parks are very rarely at capacity and almost never close their gates. If Six Flags is really conducting research and knows that a percentage of exiting guests with hand stamps never returns, then the parks could use those figures to determine estimated attendance. Instead of establishing a no same-day reentry policy, Six Flags could post signs at the exit warning guests that in the rare event of a packed park, a hand stamp may not guarantee reentry.
Goldberg adds that the policy also takes guests' safety into consideration. "Running back and forth out of parks into busy parking lots could put guests in danger," she notes. "At some Six Flags parks, guests have to cross a highway to reach the front gate." Well, under the new policy, guests will still have to enter and exit the park once per day. Does that mean Six Flags is knowingly placing their patrons in harm's way?
Is it just me, or do these lame excuses reek of desperation? So what's really behind the see-ya-later-just-not-today policy? In a word, money. Kaching. Moolah. By forcing customers to remain inside the park, Six Flags might squeeze a few more dollars out of them at its food stands and retail shops. But at what cost down the line? If it alienates guests, as I suspect it will, many won't return, and they probably won't have kind things to say about their day at the park to others.
New Chairman Daniel Snyder, who also owns the Washington Redskins and successfully orchestrated a reorganization of Six Flags' board, has a no-reentry policy at Seattle's FedExField. While sports fans might not balk at captive audience rules, they're inside the stadium for a relatively short amount of time. $7 for a warm, crummy beer and $5 for a cold, crummy hot dog? That's just part of the game. Going to a park, however, is a whole-day experience. Many families bring young children and often incorporate a park visit into a vacation. Many parks, Six Flags included, feature water parks and theme parks within one gate for one admission price. And virtually all parks allow same-day reentry--for good reason.
Maybe guests, especially young kids, need a break from the park. Perhaps folks have medication inside cooler chests in their cars. What about patrons who simply forget their sunglasses or Dramamine or sweatshirts or?. Are people who want to use the water park and theme park supposed to tote around their swimming gear all day? Will Six Flags have enough lockers (which, of course, require an extra charge) to accommodate everybody's stuff?
Goldberg does say that the chain will make special considerations for certain parks. For example, since the picnic area at Six Flags Over Texas in Dallas is outside the gates, guests will be allowed to eat their meals and reenter the park. And patrons who have multi-park tickets to the three gates at Six Flags Great Adventure in New Jersey (the theme park, the water park, and the drive-through safari) will be able to come and go among the parks (but guests with single-park tickets will not be allowed to reenter). Season-pass holders to any of the chain's parks will be subject to the same no-reentry restriction as regular-ticket guests.
I'm simply amazed by this brazen move. My prediction: After irate guests jam Six Flags' guest relations windows, email addresses, phone lines, and mail boxes with complaints this spring, the company will back off the ill-conceived policy.
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^^ That was a good article and I agree with the guy...those are lame excuses. In the long run, the park is losing money...think about it
For Example
I go to the park, ride some rides and then go to my car realizing I left my doors open or I forgot my wallet there...I leave unknowingly of the rule and then try to get back in and get denied....Now I ask you...Would You Go Back To The Park Ever Again? I Might but they just left a negative impression on me just for the simple fact they want me to buy a $6 hot dog
Lets do the math
$6(Hot Dog) + -$50.00(Park Ticket I Didnt Buy Cause of the Experience)-$6 (For the hot dog i didnt buy)= a profit of -$50.00...then multiply that by say 50 other guest who have the problem what do we end up with -$2,500.....That is really going to solve the debt..
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Now that's saying that it will restrict re-entry for SP's too. This honestly has me debating whether or not I want to get an SP this year.
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It does limit the flexibility on your visits because on rare occasions, I would leave the park around 2 , go home pick up my daughter and go back with more friends. But for the most part, once I am inside the park I don't really have a reason to leave the park other than to go home.
I'll take last years trip to the park with Gregg for example
We did the park in four hours, rode every coaster (*B:TC) Gregg, If you weren't on a time limit would we have left, enjoyed lunch and came back. Or were you happy enough getting all the credits and then maybe going somewhere else ?
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Now that's saying that it will restrict re-entry for SP's too. This honestly has me debating whether or not I want to get an SP this year.
It seems like the media has a different version for each article. They are likely digging to make Snyder look bad.
Regardless, I've been assured by the park directly that Season Pass holders and Multi-park day ticket holders WILL be able to use the hand-stamp entrance.
The no re-entry policy ONLY applies to day-tickets for the THEME PARK only (which interestingly enough, they don't even sell yet).
Btw- I'm only speaking for Gadv. Somehow, I have a feeling this policy will vary park to park. :?
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This wont really affect me because I usually go to GADV at night anyways and rarely ever leave the park and come back. I just hope this policy isn't enforced too long.
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"Six Flags Rethinks No-Reentry Policy"
http://themeparks.about.com/b/a/2006_01_14.htm
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I'm more at ease with this, and all of my GP friends will be happy once again. They were not too pleased when I told them about the no re-entry policy to gauge the reaction for myself.
If they were going to do anything to try to encourage people to stay in the park, I would have gone with the small "re-entry fee" that someone mentioned before. Maybe $5-10 if you want to re-enter.
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If they want to be family friendly, and they do, even a one cent re-entry fee would not be wise. Think about it, from coolers to diapers to forgotten medications to just getting a jacket...not allowing guests to re-enter a theme park without an additional charge would no doubt result in two things:
* Many of them NEVER, EVER coming back--and telling everyone they know not to go either, and
* Some never going to a park they would otherwise go to.
I am glad this is gone, if it truly is. And I hope it stays gone. This was truly one of the strangest, and least well thought out, schemes to come from Six Flags in a very long time.
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Alright, I can finally say something here since it?s officially over.
The ONLY reason I was somewhat in favor of this policy (esp. since it didn't affect me) was that a HUGE problem at Great Adventure in particular is drugs and alcohol in the parking lot. The parking lot isn't safe... period. This was one bright spot in this insane policy and I was looking forward to it.
So hopefully they come up with a better plan to make the parking lot safe because low-riders with slamming bass with gangs smoking dope while getting insanely drunk on a 98 degree day make for a rather unpleasant experience and IMO, was worth this sacrifice.
I'm not certain this would have applied at other Six Flags properties though. I'm only speaking from my own experiences at Gadv.
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We did the park in four hours, rode every coaster (*B:TC) Gregg, If you weren't on a time limit would we have left, enjoyed lunch and came back. Or were you happy enough getting all the credits and then maybe going somewhere else ?
If we had all day it probably would have been nice to leave the park, get some White Castle or something and head back.
Then again, seeing how insane the parking lot was when we left that probably wouldn't have been the best thing.
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^ Just think now with that last news article it's a slim possibility we can still do that.(if you get back to NJ/PA) I was just saying that usually we never go back in once we are done no matter how fast we finish the park, unless it's to meet up with friends who might be going later on that night.
Wade, I either walk with my head down or never really noticed any of that in the parking lot. Then again, I get to the park at 9:30am so maybe it's the later crowd that you see that I don't. I also never go to the park on Saturday, I stay inside HH. I'm not doubting it happens I just never see it. Which is good since I have my daughter with me most of the time.
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Wade, I either walk with my head down or never really noticed any of that in the parking lot. Then again, I get to the park at 9:30am so maybe it's the later crowd that you see that I don't. I also never go to the park on Saturday, I stay inside HH. I'm not doubting it happens I just never see it. Which is good since I have my daughter with me most of the time.
We go probably 25-35 times a year and I see this maybe 2-3 times a year. And those times happen to be when circumstances force us to go on a Saturday during the summer or during Frightfest on a Saturday night. Unfortunately, it always seems to happen when we bring friends or family along (using a BAFF pass) and they are left with a rather sour taste of the place.
The parking lot can become a SCARY place but you are correct, the majority of the time, its fine. I was only looking forward to this policy because the ones it would have affected are generally the people causing this problem (not that I've taken a poll or anything).
Gadv really doesn't need guests like this. And I believe these are the guests they were really targeting. Yes, at the sacrifice of many others.
Again, I'm slightly biased because it wouldn't have affected me or my family.
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Well, here is a little email I got from Kristin today.
Hopefully you have heard by now that the no re-entry policy has been
rescinded. We will allow re-entry in all parks. Sorry for any
confusion
I guess they read the internet huh? :)
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that is a key marketing device. Think about it, our forum combined with all of its members, know alot more and have much more experience in theme parks than shapiro will ever have. He needs to listen to us and read our feedback on his news, and than make nessicary changes.
I expected this to happen.
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With all due respect, I strongly suspect The Motley Fool article and the comments of the general managers had a LOT more influence than any internet discussion board....
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you would be suprised..
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you would be suprised..
Maybe.
Probably not....
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Topic is closed. Re-entry is no longer a problem. It is once again permitted.
We'll reopen the discussion if something changes.