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Industry => Industry News => Topic started by: Millennium Force 44 on February 16, 2012, 06:57:34 PM
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Since there is no topic for this yet I figured I would start one. As everyone knows PortAventura is building a massive B&M Mega coaster for 2012. Other than the fact that Leviathan is a B&M Giga coaster, Shambhala is looking way more unique and out of character for B&M.
The first camel back looks insanely steep and massive.
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f294/Yoshifreak/PAH2.jpg)
Holy crap this looks awesome!
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f294/Yoshifreak/PAH.jpg)
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LurYe5RIG6U#noexternalembed&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LurYe5RIG6U#noexternalembed&feature=player_embedded)
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you're totally forgetting the fact that there's a tunnel at the tail end of the ride.
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That twisty thingy looks neato!
I didn't know about this ride until the picture that was posted a little while back. MUCH More interesting than Leviathan.
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That twisty thingy looks neato!
I didn't know about this ride until the picture that was posted a little while back. MUCH More interesting than Leviathan.
That twisty thingy was used by Vekoma for BattleStar. A little different flavor and physics to it but it's still pretty much the same. Now when the hell are they gonna make a Cobra Roll that does that?
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It just looks like a speed reducing version of a hammerhead turn to me. Kinda cool looking though. I guess if the turnaround doesn't get ya the magnetic trims will anyway.
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It just looks like a speed reducing version of a hammerhead turn to me. Kinda cool looking though. I guess if the turnaround doesn't get ya the magnetic trims will anyway.
Yeah I always hoped they wouldn't trip. now they will all the time...
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It kind of reminds me a bit of the cheetah hunt turnaround. After looking at it a little longer it looks like you could get some nice tugging action coming back down this structure.
Funny thing about this thread. I knew that this coaster was going to be built and that it was 250+ feet. All of a sudden there was pics on screamscape but I guess it was just footers or clearing or something like that. But I thought it was Draga khan or whatever its called and it was a 250' bm inverted coaster with a bunch of inversions. Just realized the other day it will be a hyper. Too bad in a way.
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This coaster looks MASSIVE for being 250 feet. The way it visually imposes its will all over and around Dragon Kahn is impressive.
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i want. gives it to us precious.
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new pictures
(http://elblogdedream.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/sh23.jpg)
Holy crap, this is like El Toro first drop to first camelback size difference.
(http://elblogdedream.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/sh37.jpeg)
(http://elblogdedream.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/sh39.jpg)
Talk about stealing Dragon Khan's spotlight
(http://elblogdedream.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/sh41.jpg?w=690&h=917)
yessss
(http://elblogdedream.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/sh19.jpg?w=690&h=917)
(http://elblogdedream.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/sh25.jpg?w=690&h=915)
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That looks awesome.
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oh wow. Very cool
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:o :o :o :o whahahahaha i cant take it! look at all that b&m hypery goodness!
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Oh my god. That thing is massive. Kinda want to ride it. Right now.
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B&M, Please bring some interesting designs back here as well. Leviathan is so boring compared to this. This one looks great.
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Sigh, figures when I leave Spain.
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Not to be a homer but other than a slightly more twisted turn around there is nothing different about this B@M so far.
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(http://elblogdedream.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/sh030627.jpg)
more construction pictures here
http://elblogdedream.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/shambhala-las-obras-vistas-por-fans/ (http://elblogdedream.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/shambhala-las-obras-vistas-por-fans/)
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I watched a POV Zrendering. It has a lame ending similar to Behemoth. :(
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Somehow I feel like i'm being cheap shotted here a bit. ;)
At least my 2nd favourite steel coaster will be operating in 2012, and not being replaced by a launch coaster with the same layout. Owww
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No cheap shot. You know Behemoth's ending is weak sauce. ;)
What launch coaster are you talking about?
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Oh wait, I think I know. Jerk. LOL :D
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I watched a POV Zrendering. It has a lame ending similar to Behemoth. :(
Can't be worse than Leviathons which definitely at some point in the design process had more to it. The brake run was definitely a mid course break earlier in the design process with something after it. Its even more flat like a mcbr. They could have slowed the train down a lot and have some smaller bunny hills with decent air in an area with some turns separating them and then ended it without increasing the track length drastically. Nitro did a great job making that little section of track between the mcbr and final brakes last a good amount of time.
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Leviathan will be teabaggin Nitro in a month. :)
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Leviathan will be teabaggin Nitro in a month. :)
Nah, Leviathon is like 35 seconds long from the first drop and nitro's trims even on full blast which they never are on barely take off any speed compared to what the magnetic trims on the middle of the hills can do.
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some really neat pictures to check out here:
http://elblogdedream.wordpress.com/2012/04/11/shambhala-otro-punto-de-vista/ (http://elblogdedream.wordpress.com/2012/04/11/shambhala-otro-punto-de-vista/)
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Check out this awesome video of Shambhala testing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pDALnwS7Hk#noexternalembed&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pDALnwS7Hk#noexternalembed&feature=related)
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Looks pretty boring IMO.
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Its too slow and the turnaround element is taken too slow because its too large and tall. Why can't b&m make an after mcbr section that isn't boring lately. I think nitro is probably gonna be a better all around experience. The drop on the mcbr in the back and those last three camelbacks really makes the ride especially the last two camelbacks.
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B&M megas never look fast in videos. The turnaround deffinatly looks cool, but I think it's a worse call than the typical hammerhead. You guy are all huge nitro homers... Nitro is nice though.
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Check out this awesome video of Shambhala testing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pDALnwS7Hk#noexternalembed&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pDALnwS7Hk#noexternalembed&feature=related)
Where is the awesome video? I just saw a video of a tall coaster barely making it over each hill, with ONE hill after the "mid course"... Would that be considered the 4/5ths course brake?
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I meant awesome as in cool to finally see it testing. I wasn't talking about the ride itself.
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I <3 you
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Hammerheads are lame; I'd honestly have a sick overbank. No airtime coming out of them. Apollo's Chariot has the best turnaround. I love the pacing of Nitro and Apollo as far as hypers with midcourse brakes go. They do it right. All the others have terrible pacing after the midcourse brakes. If it didn't have a single trim on it, Apollo would be my favorite. As is, Goliath over Georgia is the winner, then Apollo and Nitro. Then it's a tie between Behemoth and Diamondback, then Goliath over La Ronde and Raging Bull.
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Check out this awesome video of Shambhala testing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pDALnwS7Hk#noexternalembed&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pDALnwS7Hk#noexternalembed&feature=related)
Where is the awesome video? I just saw a video of a tall coaster barely making it over each hill, with ONE hill after the "mid course"... Would that be considered the 4/5ths course brake?
The sad thing is it will be even slower once they fill the water splash with water. I am glad we got our B&M's before they started making everything lame and forceless. I'll be mad if they remove medusa or batman for a stupid wing rider the lamest of all B&M coaster types.
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Hammerheads are lame; I'd honestly have a sick overbank. No airtime coming out of them. Apollo's Chariot has the best turnaround. I love the pacing of Nitro and Apollo as far as hypers with midcourse brakes go. They do it right. All the others have terrible pacing after the midcourse brakes. If it didn't have a single trim on it, Apollo would be my favorite. As is, Goliath over Georgia is the winner, then Apollo and Nitro. Then it's a tie between Behemoth and Diamondback, then Goliath over La Ronde and Raging Bull.
This is about the 37th time I've seen this ranking. lol
I look as these rides like a nice steak dinner... The drop to the turnaround is the MEAT. The next part until the brake is the potato. Post mid course is a bed of veggies.
Now I prefer some nice meat... Im not going to complain about a dinner that has bad vegtables... Its a bonus if thet are good but if they suck I dont eat them. In the case of Leviathan there is no veggies... ummm Im okay with that. In conclusion its nice to have a good pacing and good elements all through out, but its wayyy more important on a good wooden coaster, or even a steel coaster thats not 200+ Yeah behemoth sucks after the brake but who cares? The meat's good ;)
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You got to be kidding me.
http://youtu.be/hASywoHt-2k?t=3m57s (http://youtu.be/hASywoHt-2k?t=3m57s)
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^lol
B&M megas are so temperamental. Check out how fast Shambhala hauls through the turnaround in this clip at 48 seconds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBkaIpBXdCE#noexternalembed#t=48s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBkaIpBXdCE#noexternalembed#t=48s)
Then at the end of the video it creeps through like it isn't going to make it.
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Nah. A bad ending ruins everything good. ;)
There should be "meat" all the way to the end. See Apollo. The most intense airtime is on the final drop. Mm now I'm really missing Apollo. Looking forward to going back the Gardens this summer.
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Nah. A bad ending ruins everything good. ;)
There should be "meat" all the way to the end. See Apollo. The most intense airtime is on the final drop. Mm now I'm really missing Apollo. Looking forward to going back the Gardens this summer.
They don't make like they used to. Another good one with pacing is phantoms revenge. That ride is worth the trip alone let alone the several 1920's woodies. I wish morgan was still around so they could have converted scream machine lol.
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Matt tell me when you're going, I still need to book my trip.
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Seems to be go much much faster in this POV. It actually looks great!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8LA19HfeO0#noexternalembed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8LA19HfeO0#noexternalembed)
Also, you can see in the video that the water splash is like Manta's so the train isn't losing any speed.
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This reminds me of a combo of leviathan, and behemoth actually.
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Neat, looks like it carries quite a bit of speed throughout the whole layout. That first drop looks utterly fantastic.
Not sure if this has merit, but maybe they pushed the MCBR's back to help capacity due to everyone being so slow in the stations, idk.
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Neat, looks like it carries quite a bit of speed throughout the whole layout. That first drop looks utterly fantastic.
Not sure if this has merit, but maybe they pushed the MCBR's back to help capacity due to everyone being so slow in the stations, idk.
Nitro in reality doesn't really need an MCBR and neither does this. I have never seen a train make it to the top of the lift before the train in front of it has cleared the block brake on the final brake run. Nitro also has three block sections behind the station. I don't mind nitros since it has the awesome drop off of it afterwards but on rides like behemoth it kind of sucks.
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Nitro has used it before, when they actually get a motivated crew, I've seen a train leave the station right as another left the lift hill continuously for a good part of a few seasons.
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"Shutter" Millennium Force does three train op the right way.
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you mean needing a dual station for loading and unloading? Volcano @ KD does that too and they fail hard at it, and they only have two trains :\.
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Nitros capacity is fine and better than millennium forces. Intamin's station system especially the multi-station ones have always been a sore point for them and are responsible for a lot of intermittent breakdowns especially on Kingda Ka and Top Thrill dragster.
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It works on MF because they have three trains and no midcourse brake. The unload station only needs one attendant. It unloads while the next train loads and the third train is out on the circuit. Then when the train comes into the brakes, it has virtually no need to stack, assuming people aren't having trouble with the ridiculous restraints. That's the bottleneck on Intamin rides and the fact that they break down constantly. Coasters have had separate load and unload areas since the beginning. There's no reason why it should cause issues. Kingda Ka is a colossal lemon.
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Rumor has it that Volcano is trying to adapt to Millenium Force's three train operation to increase its ludicrously horrible capacity. Don't know if it's true and I don't know if it will work. Speaking of which, the dual station stuff is sadly a load of crap for capacity, especially with Kingda Ka and some others. Storm Runner being the only exception (although the crew needs to be at their best). Top Thrill Dragster has a surprisingly effective station also, with two trains unloading and the other two loading at the same time. It manages to keep the line moving at all times.